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post #1 of 3 Old 07-28-2018, 10:37 AM Thread Starter
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Issue and Treatment:
My Betta has had a swollen swim bladder for at least 2 months now.
I have done a lot of research on here and other forums. Originally I tried fasting, then a pea as many sites say (I know there is debate on this.) I did this on and off for awhile. It didn't get better so next I thought bacterial infection. I treated with Maracyn Two for the full 5 days. After reading excerpt online from a vet confidently diagnosing this as constipation. I switched back to pea and then fast for 3 days, but I was more consistent with it. I did this cycle two or the three times before I started feeding him again. Looking back at the pictures I've taken for this post, it may have gone down a bit. However, my concern was this constant fasting with only a laxative as food every 4 days, he became very lethargic (due to the lack of food!). I stopped because I felt I was going to starve him if I kept doing this. So as you can see I've been stuck in a loop of treatments.

Any have any ideas? I saw a post from a long time ago from someone who seemed knowledgeable Bettababy. Is she still active? Btw, I am BRAND new to the site. First post.

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Feeding: Originally tropical flakes, but a few weeks ago I switched to NLS Thera+A. I give him about 2 to 4 1mm pellets at night. Once I have his Swim bladder taken care of I will probably do a blood worm feed two or three days of the week.

Tank Size: Ten Gallons all for him.
Heater: 100w preset. It keeps it about 78.
Filtration: Tetra Whisper Power Filter 20 Gal with flow settings (set to lowest setting; water keeps quite still).

Water Changes: 25 to 35% each Week with gravel cleaning.

Water Parameters right before weekly water change:

PH 7.3/7.4 (I'm pretty surprised how alkaline this is, it is not usually this high This is most likely due to the lack of feeding).

Ammonia: < 0.25

Misc: I've had a algae problem. Each week the whole substrate would be covered with brown algae (I think it's Brown). I read it is suppos ed d yo "take care of itself" but it's been like this for a long time. Only during a short time when I was doing daily 25 water changes to try and promote fin growth did it settle down a bit.

Also, my betta's fins are a bit ripped up or ruffled. I had a sharp plastic plant that I have now gotten rid of.20180728_100524_1532792259728.jpg20180728_100524_1532792259728.jpg
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post #2 of 3 Old 07-28-2018, 08:04 PM
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in a cycled aquarium ammonia should be zero, with ammonia in the water combined with the lack of hiding spots/decorations the betta is most likely very stressed. stress weakens the immune system allowing opportunistic bacteria and parasites to take hold in the fish and feed off the fish. i dont know what kind of bacteria or parasite it is but maybe a fellow member can chime in and provide that information.

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post #3 of 3 Old 08-04-2018, 05:45 PM Thread Starter
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in a cycled aquarium ammonia should be zero, with ammonia in the water combined with the lack of hiding spots/decorations the betta is most likely very stressed. stress weakens the immune system allowing opportunistic bacteria and parasites to take hold in the fish and feed off the fish. i dont know what kind of bacteria or parasite it is but maybe a fellow member can chime in and provide that information.
Thank you.

I have had the tank for a year or so now. I did not think there was anyway it was not cycled. I got a full kit and, sure enough, no nitrites or nitrates and a consistent Ammonia of .25ppm. I've been sitting here doing all this research on fish diseases wondering why my fish were getting sick and it was the most basic thing, the cycle.

Now I'm doing small daily water changes with Aqueon Ammonia Neutralizer/conditioner (equivalent to Prime, I believe) until I am cycled.

I believe what happened was I was changing the filter cartidge and carbon monthly, like the package says -.-, thus, resetting the cycle.
From now on, I will leave the filter cartridge in there; dump the carbon after a month (2 weeks?) and put some new carbon in there.
I have a bunch of filters and carbon, Tetra Bio-bag large cartidge filters so I can take out the carbon and still have the filter floss(?).

I was even considering putting another sponge in my filters. I can also use the extra filter floss(?) from the tetra packs.

What are your thoughts on adding extra filter media?
I can send pictures of my filters. They are the AqueonQuiet Flow 30 LED and Aqua-Tech 5-15 for my 29 gallon tank with (now :[ ) one goldfish.
For my betta in the 10 gallon tank, I have the Tetra power filter Whisper 20 with flow control. I currently have it on the lowest flow setting.

In regards to my betta's lump. I am a bit disappointed no one else answered. Still stuck with this mystery. But I am still appreciative of the help I did get.

Currently, I have decided to not medicate because cycling and maintaining water quality is the reason it happens so fixing this should resolve the issue (in theory, but it might be too far now). Additionally, many rave that clean water heals all.
So, perhaps the daily small water changes and cycling will help.

I do have furan 2, kanaplex and paragard, if needed, but I do not want to start a cocktail of medicines without knowing what the issue is.
Also my 5 gallon hospital tank is not cycled either so what good will moving him around do.

Any advice on this?
What would you do?

Again, thanks a bunch. I did all this research and overlooked the most fundamental aspect.

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