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post #1 of 11 Old 09-18-2017, 03:09 PM Thread Starter
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I think my fish have dropsy they are very bloated I've given them internal bacteria liquid like it says to do but my fish still seem bloated what can i do??
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post #2 of 11 Old 09-19-2017, 01:01 PM
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Sorry to hear :( Can you please answer as many of the following questions as possible so that we can try to help?

1. Size of tank?

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia?
b. Nitrite?
c. Nitrate?
d. pH, KH and GH?
e. Test kit?

3. Temperature?

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)?

5. How long the aquarium has been set up?

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants?
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom?
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors?

9. a. Filtration?
b. Heater?

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used?
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long?

11. a. Water change schedule?
b. Volume of water changed?
c. Well water, tap water, RO water?
d. Water conditioner used?
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed?

12. Foods?
How often are they fed?

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms?
b. Appearance of poop?
c. Appearance of gills?

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis?
b. What meds were used?

15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary.

Animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
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Sorry to hear :( Can you please answer as many of the following questions as possible so that we can try to help?

1. Size of tank?

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia?
b. Nitrite?
c. Nitrate?
d. pH, KH and GH?
e. Test kit?

3. Temperature?

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)?

5. How long the aquarium has been set up?

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants?
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom?
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors?

9. a. Filtration?
b. Heater?

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used?
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long?

11. a. Water change schedule?
b. Volume of water changed?
c. Well water, tap water, RO water?
d. Water conditioner used?
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed?

12. Foods?
How often are they fed?

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms?
b. Appearance of poop?
c. Appearance of gills?

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis?
b. What meds were used?

15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary.

1. Size of tank?

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia? 0.5 on Thursday but have used ammonia remover since
b. Nitrite? 40 have used nitrate minus
c. Nitrate?
d. pH, KH and GH? PH is high but i was told thats normal because we live in a hard water area
e. Test kit? yes

3. Temperature? 23

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)? FW

5. How long the aquarium has been set up? 1 Month

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?
Mollies, platys, guppys, tetras, gouramis, loch and a plec (around 20 - 30 fish)

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)? yes

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants? Fake plants
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom? Gravel
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors? Slate and rocks

9. a. Filtration? Fluval 205 external filter
b. Heater? yes

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used? led lights put them on in the morning and turn then off around 7pm
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long? no

11. a. Water change schedule? once a week
b. Volume of water changed? 25 percent
c. Well water, tap water, RO water? tap water
d. Water conditioner used? yes interpet
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed? at water changes

12. Foods? fluval flake food and algae
How often are they fed? once a day

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms? very bloated looking and one fish has funny looking eyes
b. Appearance of poop? normal
c. Appearance of gills? ok

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? yes
b. What meds were used? Internal bacteria and general tonic
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post #4 of 11 Old 09-19-2017, 02:26 PM
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If your tank was cycled prior to adding fish, then you had a crash when you added the fish (all at once??) The fact that you have ammonia and nitrIte present (nitrite is currently far too high for fish safety) . Any reading for nitrAtes? Can you give the size of the tank (gallons)?

In the meantime, can you get your hands on a water conditioner called Seachem Prime? I would do daily water changes of about 10-20% and triple dosing the tank with Prime when adding in new water. That will help bind the ammonia and nitrItes until you can get them down to zero and nitrAtes are present.

And I'm not sure if you know not to replace the filter cartridges when you do a water change. Just rinse the cartridge in the bucket of old water that you remove and put back in the filter.

If possible, please attach photos of the fish.

Edit: I would also stop adding any chemicals to alter parameters. Try to get those numbers where they need to be by doing the small frequent water changes.

Animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.

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post #5 of 11 Old 09-19-2017, 04:15 PM Thread Starter
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Hi can you explain to me exactly what water changes i should be doing each day? and for how long?

Also, i know you said to stop with the amonia and nitrate minus/remover but should i continue with general tonic and internal bacteria?

I've also been told by someone that i have a mix of fish that shouldnt be together so i'm thinking of setting up a second tank could you advise on this?
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Ok, my advise is going to differ slightly so I'll have Romad in 'RD' and mine in 'AU'....
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Hi can you explain to me exactly what water changes i should be doing each day? and for how long?
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I would do daily water changes of about 10-20% *snip*
AU: Its not the length or duration to preform a water change, rather how much the water drops in the tank. So a 10% water change would mean a removal of 10% of the total water volume.
(eg: a 10g tank, a 10% would mean removing around a gallon of water... 20g tank, 10% would mean 2 gallons of water ect...)
I'd personally go with a 50% water change, because ammonia and nitrate is highly toxic to fish and can contribute the the reason why your fish has dropsy.
A cycled tank should have both levels at 0ppm. So water change, water change and water change until you can't water change no more. Using products like prime which convert harmful substances such as ammonia into less harmful constituents is also a good idea.

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Also, i know you said to stop with the amonia and nitrate minus/remover but should i continue with general tonic and internal bacteria?
AU: Nope, keep using the removers, its what is helping to reduce the effect that these compounds are having on your fish. If anything, I'd stop using the tonic and internal bacteria meds since dropsy is usually associated with water quality - which having a cycled tank and keeping up with water changes will rectify this... or diet (increase the amount of greens offered, spinach, carrot, potato, deshelled pea are a good way of increasing variety in their diet and help have a healthy fish. Also consider buying sinking tablets for the loach(es) and pleco... If you can, I'd also recommend feeding frozen foods like blood worms or daphnia, as well as purchasing smell granules or pellets to increase variety.)

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I've also been told by someone that i have a mix of fish that shouldnt be together so i'm thinking of setting up a second tank could you advise on this?
AU: Well it depends on the size of the tank. How big is it? If your are unsure of how many liters/gallons it holds, mention the lenght x width x height of the tank and we be able to assist.
This site can also help (theres loads more, but first one on google):
Aquarium Volume Calculator
If the tank is too small, then yes you will run into problems simply cause its overcrowded.

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post #7 of 11 Old 09-20-2017, 10:08 AM Thread Starter
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Just done a water test the results are on this post
https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...793682&thumb=1
https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...793690&thumb=1

Can you please tell me what percent of water to change each day? and how long till i stop daily water changes and what i do when i stop the daily water changes do i then do once a week?

What chemicals should I be using and which I shouldn't be using? out of the following: Ammonia remover, Nitrate minus, internal bacteria and general tonic

and any other advice regarding the test results?
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Id go with anywhere between 10 to 50% water changes. Should be done daily until it has cycled (ammonia and nitrite is 0ppm)

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And yes. After do once a week to keep nitrate under 20 ppm

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I've never had any problems with 'Impulse Buying'. They're just animals that I forgot I had planned to get.

Last edited by aussieJJDude; 09-22-2017 at 02:23 AM. Reason: Sorry. Confused nitrite and nitrate. Now fixed
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post #10 of 11 Old 09-23-2017, 07:06 AM Thread Starter
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This is todays results
Ammonia is 0.25ppm
Nitrate no2 is 0.50ppm
Nitrate no3 is 20ppm

Apart from nitrate no2 nothing seems to be going down help not sure what to do?
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