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post #21 of 30 Old 09-17-2014, 07:42 AM
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I will have one last statement here as I will not tolerate ignorance. Turkeys are not mammals. We use these medications throughout the animal kingdom whether its a lagamorph or even us. The environment does change how the drugs may be administered yes but it does not change the drugs we use. We can still p.o. bid with fish just the same as I would do for a cat or dog. Age does not mean knowledge. It just means you're old.

And I already have a specialist in ichthyology I hold in very high regard and is also a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine.. no offense, but that is where I will pull my knowledge from. If you like I can give her a call and see which she thinks will prove more effective. I try not to bug her too much unless its life or death for my large fish.

Also; this is why we add things like garlic to stimulate appetite. My angel did not eat the first round and only a small amount the second. He is the worst effected and now after the last treatment has started to gain weight again.

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post #22 of 30 Old 09-17-2014, 09:02 AM
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I appreciate everyone's input here but let's keep in mind that things change over the years. Unless Charles continuously still attends seminars and classes then it is very possible that he's not up to date on these medications.
He might be, he might not be, e-mail costs nothing. Seeing as he's Mike Hellweg's go to guy for meds that should be more than good enough for any of us. Plenty of the big players in aquatics go to him when there's an issue, if anyone here thinks they're a step above Mike I'd really like to know about it.

Another source of info is the National Fish Pharmacy help line, this will cost you a long distance call. They deal more with the commercial hatcheries, but work with hobbyists as well. I've called them plenty of times on behalf of others. They're DVM's that deal solely with aquatics.

Can't blame you for not tolerating ignorance Lucilla, I rarely do. Don't get stuck to one source of info, so much of the higher end of aquatics is having a long list of resources to work off of. I've had plenty of family in the medical field, and this may apply to the veterinary field; don't step up to a position you're not qualified for, you risk looking like an ass at least, and providing dangerous information at worst. The unit secretary thinks she's a nurse, the nurse thinks she's a doctor. Seems it usually takes about 20 years in the field to get past this, and realize certain situations are beyond them.

From what I'm getting here you're younger (everyone seems to be younger than me lately!) and a veterinary student, that in itself is an awesome thing, and by your passion you seem to have an awesome future. Don't get stuck in that rut early on, and please don't take 20 years to get out of it if you're heading that way, it's to your benefit.
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post #23 of 30 Old 09-17-2014, 12:15 PM Thread Starter
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Oh boy... I didn't know creating this thread would turn into a medication argument. But the insight on both sides is very interesting. And thank you for being civil with your arguments.
Like I said, I think I'll be sticking with Fenbendazole for now since I can run to the store and get it... but I think I'll be ordering the Levamisole online as well. Hopefully one way or another I'll wipe these worms out. I love having guppies, and they are supposedly known to be carriers of these worms. So maybe in the future I'll have to deal with this again. Blah, what a pain!
Thank you again to everyone who has responded and giving me insight on what to do. It's very helpful! ^_^

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post #24 of 30 Old 09-21-2014, 09:20 PM
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I used Fenben three times, two weeks apart. I had seen Camallanus worms in a couple of my fish, and one had died from it. From what I've read, the worms don't show in the vent until the fish has had them for months. I had already researched, and had Fenben on the way when I happened to read from another source that levamisole is better for these worms. Well, I was short on cash that month, so I went ahead and used the Fenben. It's been about 6 weeks, and I have seen no more evidence of the worms, but there is always the possibility that my fish still have it, and it just hasn't shown itself yet.

I contacted Charles when my Fenben was already on the way, and he recommended levamisole, of course. He said that Fenben DOES NOT kill the nematodes. I told him I'd go ahead and use the Fenben since I'd already ordered it, but if I get any more signs of these nasty worms, I'm going straight to him for levamisole!

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Quoting information about Fenben and Levamisole:

"Benzimidazoles

The first chemical class of modern anthelmintics developed was the benzimidazoles (BZD). The first drug in this class, thiabendazole (TBZ) was introduced in 1961. In addition to thiabendazole (which is no longer sold), this chemical class includes fenbendazole(Safeguard®), albendazole(Valbazen®), and oxyfendazole (Synanthic®). Benzimidazoles interfere with the worm's energy metabolism on a cellular level.

They bind to a specific building block called beta tubulin and prevent its incorporation into certain cellular structures called microbutbules, which are essential for energy metabolism. Interfering with energy metabolism is a much more basic mode of activity than the other classes of dewormers. For this reason, benzimidazoles are also able to kill worm eggs. Benzimidazoles have a wide margin of safety and broad spectrum activity."

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"Imidazothiaoles have a similar mode of action as pyrantel and morantel, causing spastic paralyis of the worms. The group includes the drug levamisole (Prohibit®, Tramisol®, and Levasol®). In addition to being used as an anthelmintic for animals, levamisole has been used to treat various human diseases: colon cancer, melanoma and head and neck cancer, and influenza. It was discovered in 1966.

Compared to other anthelmintics, levamisole has the narrowest margin of safety, though toxicity is usually the result of excess dosage. Levamisole has a broad spectrum of activity and is effective against many larval stages of parasites, though not arrested larvae. It is currently off the market."


http://www.sheepandgoat.com/articles/anthelminticswork.html

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post #27 of 30 Old 10-12-2014, 02:02 PM
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I just finished treating my tank for these horrible devil worms... How is your treatment going?
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post #28 of 30 Old 10-12-2014, 06:30 PM
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Apparently, the Fenben did the trick. Of course, its only October, so its only been a couple of months since I treated, but not one fish (and I have, what... 15 fish in that tank) shows any worms. It can takes months though, until the worms are seen. If I see any more worms in anyone's vent at this point, the first thing I'm doing is ordering levamisole from Charles! Elbeeaz, what did you use to treat?

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20 gallonH - 1 Peacock Gudgeon, 2 Skunk Cories, 1 Sparkling Gourami. , one male betta, 2 nerite snails.

55 gallon - 3 Turquoise Rainbows, 1 Boesemani Rainbow, 2 Australian Rainbow, 4 Gold Dust mollies, 1 L. Dorsigera, 2 White Cloud Mountain Minnows, 1 Honey Gourami, 3 Cherry barb, 1 Koi Angelfish, 4 female betta.
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post #29 of 30 Old 10-12-2014, 08:48 PM
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Woo hoo! that's great news RackinRocky! I purchased the Levamisole HCL from Charles and followed his directions exactly as he said. I have another friend who's Angels were also hit with the worms and she also had success with Charles' meds and his directions! These worms are supposed to be uncommon but I am seeing more and more posts with people trying to identify them and then asking how to rid their fish of them... they are truly the 'devil worm' and thank goodness for Charles...I would have lost all my fish and given up on the hobby if I wouldn't have found his information.

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post #30 of 30 Old 10-12-2014, 10:40 PM
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Yep, I've also noticed increasing posts about these worms. Yes, we are lucky we have access to the drugs we need to save our fishies! Devil worms is right! Creepy little red things!

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20 gallonH - 1 Peacock Gudgeon, 2 Skunk Cories, 1 Sparkling Gourami. , one male betta, 2 nerite snails.

55 gallon - 3 Turquoise Rainbows, 1 Boesemani Rainbow, 2 Australian Rainbow, 4 Gold Dust mollies, 1 L. Dorsigera, 2 White Cloud Mountain Minnows, 1 Honey Gourami, 3 Cherry barb, 1 Koi Angelfish, 4 female betta.
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