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I did a bad thing. I doubled my rummy nose tetras too soon. I went from 12 to 23 the next day. I caught the spike this morning and did a 50% water change. Note, I tested the water yesterday as well because I lost my senior kuhli. Nothing was out of the ordinary yesterday.

As a result of this spike, I noted red streaking on my angels. I feel horrible. Will they recover from the streaking? Should I return half of my rummy school?

I just feel absolutely horrible and I should of known better.
 

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Treat with prime every day until the spike clears. You will have a nitrite spike later as well as this is the entire nitrogen cycle re-balancing itself. Last time I added an extra batch of fish I added a whole mess of duckweed to help handle the extra load.

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After forcing myself to think a bit more. I realize returning the fish may solve my problem. But this is my fault and I need to fix it. It wouldn't be fair to the school to return them and the stress of moving back may even make them sick/become an issue for the seller.
 

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After forcing myself to think a bit more. I realize returning the fish may solve my problem. But this is my fault and I need to fix it. It wouldn't be fair to the school to return them and the stress of moving back may even make them sick/become an issue for the seller.
I was thinking along the same lines. Prime and changes will handle it. Keep in mind that the nitrite spike may not show for two weeks though and you need to keep on top of that as well. That's why it's good to leave two to three weeks between new additions.

50% per day would be good. At least you don't really need to bother testing for nitrates with those changes... all that bottle shaking can be avoided.:roll:

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you don't really need to test for nitrates regardless. Just ammonia and nitrite. I would expect a nitrite spike within the first week. Mini cycles are much faster then a typical cycle. Also there is no limit to water changes, but 50% is a good start. Do whatever you need to keep ammonia and nitrite levels down.
 

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you don't really need to test for nitrates regardless. Just ammonia and nitrite. I would expect a nitrite spike within the first week. Mini cycles are much faster then a typical cycle. Also there is no limit to water changes, but 50% is a good start. Do whatever you need to keep ammonia and nitrite levels down.
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and to touch on the ammonia poisoning, im thinking the streaks should go away once the ammonia is removed. a question I would have is why the streaks even appear in the first place- might lead to the answer of if they will go away or not.
 

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I believe the streaks appeared because of the ammonia. It registered to around 2ppm. Angels are more sensitive to ammonia levels.

They're also clamping up a bit, I hope they relax and perk up a bit tomorrow. I'm gonna give them a few-ish days for those issues to disappear a bit.
 

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Did you quarantine the new fish?

It would be best to not feed the fish until the water quality issue is fixed, which should be within a week. No need to add to the problem.
 

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i know its from the ammonia.. im talking about inside them.. what in their body causes this
my limited understanding - ammonia irratates tissue especially delicate gill filaments which thicken, clump together, and can even hemorrhage (hyperplasia). This reduces the fish's ability to absorb oxygen. It also limits the fish's ability to expel ammonia; the natural biproduct of digesting proteins. Consequently, internal tissues are effected and would guess this might cause the red streaks. Maybe dont feed for a bit, especially high protein feed.

what is the pH? i know it's borderline anethema to the prevailing opinions on this site but might suggest to attempt to slowly lower the pH to further reduce the toxic NH3. Lowering temperature can also help but to a lesser degree.
 

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my limited understanding - ammonia irratates tissue especially delicate gill filaments which thicken, clump together, and can even hemorrhage (hyperplasia). This reduces the fish's ability to absorb oxygen. It also limits the fish's ability to expel ammonia; the natural biproduct of digesting proteins. Consequently, internal tissues are effected and would guess this might cause the red streaks. Maybe dont feed for a bit, especially high protein feed.

what is the pH? i know it's borderline anethema to the prevailing opinions on this site but might suggest to attempt to slowly lower the pH to further reduce the toxic NH3. Lowering temperature can also help but to a lesser degree.
Best to just add prime and change water as prime detoxs ammonia completely as well as nitrite and nitrate which is a better solution than just trying to lower the pH to increase the ammonium/ammonia ratio.

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Yesterday I was away from home all day helping my mother move. I'm talking 4am to 8 or 9pm. I had gotten up late so I had to rush out the door. I didn't have time to check up on any of my babies. I had to get my BIL to feed/walk the dog.
Got home/checked up on my babies. Cat/dog still alive. But....we lost an angel. It was one of my silver stripes :( Ammonia tested at either 0 or really really low. But I still did their 50% water change. A few weeks after the cycle balances back out I'll get another angel. I want to have 6 in case they pair up, it won't be only 1 picked on.
 
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