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I believe Seachem does not make test strips. If thats correct, then there's a good reason they don't.
Just because a company does not make something does not mean that there is something wrong with a product line. It costs tons of money to manufacture and market a product. If your return on investment is not good why waste the time and effort.
 

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With the fish keeping hobby, I went from no testing to the API Master Kit based on information here on the site. I do have experience with drops and strips with swimming pool water. I started with a nice drop test kit provided with the pool package. Everyone remarked how crystal clear the pool water was. Later on, I switched to strips because it was faster and easier. The pool went south quickly and it was a real pain to get it back to where it was. It is possible that, since I got lazy with the testing, I got lazy with the maintenance...don't really remember but, it's something I wonder about. Again, no scientific evidence here; however, it is real life experience and I think there is a closer relationship than some might believe.
 

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just proves a fact that many bash the strips but dont really know why and make false assumptions. but everyone is entitled to their own methods. i still say they are both equal and its more of a conveiance to use the strips then it is to use the drops
I don't think anyone is really trying to make you use drops. If you would rather use strips, use strips. As long as they work for you the whole argument is moot.

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just proves a fact that many bash the strips but dont really know why and make false assumptions. but everyone is entitled to their own methods. i still say they are both equal and its more of a conveiance to use the strips then it is to use the drops
Have you performed any test's? to validify that the strip's are just as accurate as liquid reagent's across all types of water(ie) pH,fresh,salt,?
What were control's,types,brand's of test kit's used?
This is how to find out for certain.Otherwise,,what makes one opinion ,,, can readily be debated ,pondered,till the cow's come home.
Try,do,then speak. For me,,, my tank's,my water, Ill stick with the liquid regeant's although you can cut the strip's in half and double the number of test's .:cool:
 

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When using drop tests the user should be aware of the level of accuracy which simply can be expressed as 100 divided by the number of drope required to reach the end point colour change. This can be varied by sample volume changes and should be between 10 and 30 drops giving an accuracy range of between 3 (100 divided by 30) to 10% (100 divided by 10). The number of drops will be multiplied by a factor matched to the sample volume. The accuracy can be doubled merely be deducting the factor X 0.5 from the final result.Thus if the factor was 10 and the test required 10 drops, the accurate result would be 10 X 10 - (0.5 X 10)= 95
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found this with a google search. also thought at work today about drug tests. every work related drug test ive done has been a p in the cup deal, which is pretty much the same thing as a test strip for ur aquarium. then its sent to a lab of course and confirmed but never seen anything about a liquid test for a drug test wonder if theres a reason behind it?
 

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I don't think anyone is really trying to make you use drops. If you would rather use strips, use strips. As long as they work for you the whole argument is moot.

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im not implying anyone is making me use anything, just a little frusterated that the only argument thats ive pretty much seen is that "they arent as accuracte" and only reason ive heard they arent as accurate is contamination wihich you can also get in the liquid and jsut as easily. i tried to make a conclusion on like page 2 somewhere and it was argued again that they wernt as accurate back by some hearsay or contamination or perception of color chart etc etc
 

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When using drop tests the user should be aware of the level of accuracy which simply can be expressed as 100 divided by the number of drope required to reach the end point colour change. This can be varied by sample volume changes and should be between 10 and 30 drops giving an accuracy range of between 3 (100 divided by 30) to 10% (100 divided by 10). The number of drops will be multiplied by a factor matched to the sample volume. The accuracy can be doubled merely be deducting the factor X 0.5 from the final result.Thus if the factor was 10 and the test required 10 drops, the accurate result would be 10 X 10 - (0.5 X 10)= 95
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found this with a google search. also thought at work today about drug tests. every work related drug test ive done has been a p in the cup deal, which is pretty much the same thing as a test strip for ur aquarium. then its sent to a lab of course and confirmed but never seen anything about a liquid test for a drug test wonder if theres a reason behind it?
When you copy and paste, it's best to provide a link or put it in quotes and cite the source, otherwise it's plagiarism. Google is not a source. Just sayin
 

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When you copy and paste, it's best to provide a link or put it in quotes and cite the source, otherwise it's plagiarism. Google is not a source. Just sayin
never said it was my work or that i said it, next time you try and troll my posts make sure you have it right. saying google is not a source is your own opinion just sayin
 

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saying google is not a source is your own opinion just sayin
Google is not a source. Google didn't write what you copied - google doesn't write anything ;) It's a search engine - It PROVIDES sources. That's not an opinion, it's simply a description of what it is....
 

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You are frustrated because we do not produce facts by what you call heresay. This heresay is based on users going back many years. We accept it from those before us and from personal experience. If you want to compare strips to drop tests then you need to compare what is normally found in fish stores like the API brand and others. Companys like Hach and LaMotte manufacture upscale test kits and I believe strips also. But these are not normally used by most hobbiest's. so these should not be used as a comparison.
So lets reverse the frustration. We are frustrated because you have not come up with facts to prove strips are just as accuract as drop tests at your expense.
If you are willing to provide samples of test kits like 3 strips from differant manufacturers and 3 drop test kits that are normally sold in fish stores to a lab willing to accomodate you, then we would certainly be interested in the results. They can test these kits against known lab grade standards.
 

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This just adds some things to think about. I've been looking around the net and these struck me as interesting. They are a general breakdown of some opinions / experiences. Liquid tests require skill / technique to give truly accurate results. Test strips can give false readings due to colors running and the time differential in reading the results for each element. There doesn't appear to be an "all things being equal" judgement or conclusion. The closest thing I saw for that involved pool water and it basically said that health departments are excepting test strip results now because, due to operator errors, there is no great difference in accuracy.
 

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I've been avoiding this topic, because as stated above, the only way for the OP to solve this question is to do his own side-by-side comparison between his strips and the API Master Freshwater kit. Not all strips are created equal, I'm sure that some brands may be more accurate than others, and it is very possible that the strips have all gotten a bad rep because some of the more common brands aren't the best.

A quick search on Google will bring up several posts on other forums where people have done side-by-side testing using both strips and liquid, and share their results. Most of the ones I saw came to the conclusion that the liquid was more accurate, but there were a couple who didn't see any problems with their strips.

All of this information is only as accurate as the person doing the testing, so regardless of their conclusion, I would not personally trust their results. There are many factors that can effect the results you get from your tests, and since I was not there to witness how their vials had been cleaned, how long the strips were out of the water, how long they shook the nitrate test, etc. I would take their findings with a proverbial grain of salt.

I have used one brand of strips - Tetra EasyStrips, I had a 5 in 1 strip with 3 color pads that tested Ph, Kh, Gh, nitrates, nitrites, and a separate strip for ammonia. I have only used one brand of liquid - API's Master kit, and based on my personal experiences with both of these methods, I decided to stick with the liquid testing kit, as the results seemed to be the most accurate and consistent - as well as having a lower per test price-tag.

I was very new to the hobby when I was using the test strips, and the tank was cycling with fish-in. I was testing very frequently, in the hopes of keeping my fish safe through this process, and learning about the nitrogen cycle at the same time. I was very confused when I was using the strips, because all of my reading was telling me what to expect from a cycling tank (ammonia spike, nitrite spike, nitrate spike, etc) but my strips weren't confirming that consistently at all. Because of the inconsistency in the numbers I was getting, and after seeing API's Master kit so highly recommended, I purchased the liquid set to confirm that I was getting accurate results. I wasn't.

I often (but not always) got very different readings from the two kits on ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates - though sometimes they would be fairly close to each-other or the same. I kept a log of my test results, and I never was able to find any consistency or pattern to the readings I was getting from the strips, where with the API kit I was easily able to track a rise and fall pattern as the tank went through it's various spikes (and water changes) before the cycle completed, and things settled down.

I also found that the strips were very off in Ph, Gh, and Kh. Although both types of test came up consistently with the same numbers every time, they were very different from each-other. The test strips showed my water to be fairly hard, ideal for the live-bearers who were living there at that time. But the API liquid test results show my water to be soft with a neutral Ph. A call to my water supply company confirmed that the results I was getting from API's liquid kit were correct, so I trust those results (as do my soft-water fish!)

A bit more information. . . I was very careful to keep the test strips dry and away from humidity. I kept them in my cool but not damp basement, the bottle of strips was tightly closed after use, and kept in a sealed plastic container. I even went so far as to put a packet or two of silica gel into the box (not the bottle) because I read that they were very susceptible to inaccuracy because of dampness and humidity, etc. The bottle only lasted about a month, had been purchased brand-new and sealed, and I'm fairly certain I did everything in my power to make sure those strips were not contaminated by moisture.

I also found very quickly that the vials that are sold with the API kits are inaccurate, and vary slightly from vial to vial. I do not do my tests based on the 5ml line marked on these vials, I measure out 5mls of water into each vial from an oral syringe to ensure the proper amount of liquid is being used. I have found that many things can affect the accuracy of the liquid kits, including how the vials are washed/rinsed/dried between uses, and that the regents, especially the nitrate, are properly shaken before use.

Unfortunately, I no longer have the log that I kept while using the strips. Once I came to my own conclusion that they weren't giving me accurate readings, I felt no need to keep the information I had written from them - it was only confusing things - so I discarded those pages.

A friend of mine started her tanks at the same time as I, and she had a very similar experience with another brand of test strips. . .

Again, the only way that the OP will be able to come to a proper conclusion is to test the accuracy of these types of tests for himself. It is also worth noting that the tests we use for our aquariums, though they are good for what we need them to do, are in no way showing everything that is going on in our tank. Despite what the packaging may tell you, these tests are nowhere near accurate enough for use in an actual scientific analysis. However, for our needs in keeping our fish happy and their water contaminate-free, they do the job. . . well, the liquid kit does, anyway ;-)

Hope that helped somehow. . .good luck with your own experiment!
 

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< health departments are excepting test strip results now because, due to operator errors, there is no great difference in accuracy. >

The health department is talking about swimming pool water. They are not concerned about aquariums.
 

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< health departments are excepting test strip results now because, due to operator errors, there is no great difference in accuracy. >

The health department is talking about swimming pool water. They are not concerned about aquariums.
Right. Just some info.
 

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how big is the diffrence, what is the diffrence (besides the obvious one being a liquid one being a dip and done)
how big is the diffrence, what is the diffrence (besides the obvious one being a liquid one being a dip and done)

Honestly there isn't much info on the matter and little evidence for either side. The strips are labeled easily damaged while the liquid is labeled extremely accurate. I find the liquid test to be a bit hard to read at times, while the strips are easily readable. To solve my problem (being that I started my first tank a year ago) I got the API master test kit and a JNW 9 in 1 test strip kit. I mainly used the strip for start up and to test my faucet water so I could gauge a reading on how much kg, gh, copper etc I would be putting into my tank during water changes, this made it easy for me to control my levels. I only used the liquid for specifics if I noticed a fish sick or dead, since it's the most accurate. If i found myself guessing on readings, having both made it so easy for me.
 

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how big is the diffrence, what is the diffrence (besides the obvious one being a liquid one being a dip and done)
how big is the diffrence, what is the diffrence (besides the obvious one being a liquid one being a dip and done)
I would get the test strips if you don’t have many fish/ not that many gallons. But if you have a lot of fish, I would recommend getting the drops. You will save money if you have to test the water frequently & the results are more accurate.
 
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