[Lupin]

This is weird. You said your tank is still cycling and you have zero ammonia and nitrites with detectable nitrates.:squint:

 

[Lupin]

crazie.eddie-You said they were gunna die too, maybe i had a couple tuff tetras
:dunno:

Trreherd, do not assume too fast that fish will thrive well. Some will, some will not.

 

[Lupin]

Thank blue but i keep my expectations low so i dont get to desepointed

Lol...So do I when it comes to keeping fish that I am a new at or when the fish I keep are sensitive.:mrgreen: Except I now have success keeping blue rams for so long.:crazy: So I don't worry too much about my blue rams.:crazy:

 

[Lupin]

blue rams is this another name for dwarf cichlid, do you have a picture at all?

No. Just one of the species of dwarf cichlids.
Microgeophagus ramirezi.

 

[Lupin]

they were like the ones i kept, but maybe longer fins- i dont really remember!

Indeed but yours were veiltails.

Seems you must be looking for Apistogramma cacatuiodes? I'd love to have a pair.:mrgreen: But agassizis and borellis will be thes more available here soon. I'll just grab 2 pairs of each species.:checkedout: