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Hi. My female Swordtail, Auraques, hasn't eaten in almost a week. She has been in my 1.5 gallon hospital tank for the last 8 hours. She has suffered from multiple cases of mouthrot (that stuff comes back everytime I take it off of the fungus medication). Right now she just sits on the bare floor of the hospital tank upside-down. She doesn't swim execpt when I scrare her (which isn't on purpose). I hononestly think she doesn't have any kind of a chance whatsoever.

Should I put her down? This wouldn't be the first time I've had to put down a fish. I want to give her every chance I give I can give her, but I don't want to be cruel. This thread doesn't really require expertise, just opinion. I want to be the best fish owner I can be. Sorry for such a diffecult topic. Opinions will be appreciated. Thanks.
 

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so many days without food and in a different environment with meds must have zapped out all her energy.i think it's very slim it will survive.putting it to sleep maybe a good idea
 
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Try feeding her fry food. Very small fry food. The mouthrot can be a huge pain when trying to feed so maybe very small food can help.
But if you way the rot comes back again and again... Perhaps mercy is the best way to go about it... Just make sure it does not hurt and it is fast.
 

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Hello everyone. I've tried feeding her today. Everytype of fish food I had. Right now she is extremely darty. First real movement since I netted her out of my 10 gallon tank. I think it is the direct sunlight. Not ideal but the only place in my room for a hosptital tank. She still hasn't eaten anything. Maybe her boost in activity will give her the strength she needs to eat.

I don't want to get anybody's hopes up, though. She still seems so confused and "out of it." I am using Jungle Fungus Clear. It gets my fish active again but it is basicly like life support to my tank. Once the medicine wears off, back to mouthrot.:-( This method is getting old. If anyone has ever treated mouthrot I would like to know how you cured it. Thanks.

I will most assuredly post if any progress is made. Thank you all for posting so far. Your imput is appreciated.
 

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i use the intrepet range for severe cases of fungus or fin rot and it has worked wonders for me. imo pls stay away from melafix.
 

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It was hard to understand that last post. I, being relatively new to TFK and fish forums in general, aren't very good with abbreviations.

Did you want me not to use Melafix? I have but I haven't used it yet. And I didn't understand the part about the "intrepet range for severe cases of fungus or fin rot." Sometimes I don't get things the first time, but I am still relatively new to fish (June 15th 2010).

I belive time for suggestions is quickly running out. I will probably put her down tonight if I can't find out a way to improve her situation. Thanks for all the post so far! I will post back if the situation improves.
 

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imo means in my opinion and yes i din't want you to use melafix. i do hope things go well.
 

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poor fish i gonna suffer a lot =S
 

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Hi, guys. Auraques is still alive. I don't she will die of the diesase, I think if I let her live she will die of starvation. I plan on putting her down sometime tomorrow morning if nothing improves. Any opinions will be considered and appreciated. Thanks.
 

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you can look for an anesthetic to put her down.i keep a bottle just in case
 

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Hello. I will probably put my swordtail down within the next 2 hours. What is anesthetic?
And where can I find it? Is it a painless method?

I have, in the past, filled a cup up with ice and let it sit. The sudden change in tempreture will kill them in seconds. Supposedly, The extreme cold numbs the fish and they don't feel any pain. Does this sound like a good idea?

If anybody would like to write thier opinion, it will probably be too late for my swordtail, but maybe I can use it if I ever have to put down another fish (which hopefully I won't have to). Any imput or opinions are appreciated. (You can send me a Private Message if you don't want to post it)

Thanks!
 

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Don't think the frozen water really makes the fish feel no pain. He might not move but not because he is in no pain.
IMO the best method(even if it sounds gore and somewhat sadistic) is to cut his head of in one fast strong knife chop.
That is instant and he will feel no pain.
Anaesthetic is a "drug" that i used to put people to sleep before an operation. But i am guessing that is not easy to buy since it's a dangerous substance and you can overdose on it. Might find it in a drug store but you will prolly need a prescription.
 

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I am sorry, but I think cutting Auraques head off would hurt me more than dropping Aruaques in ice would hurt her. I don't like to refuse advice but I think if I had to cut my fish that I have had for the last five months would just make me sick.

Well, I guess due to my lack of Athetics (and stomach:-(), I guess this time I will be useing my ice method. Painless or not (not that I want it to be painful at all) it will end the fishes life in seconds (less than 5). Due to lack of time, I will put down my fish within just afew minutes. Thanks for any opinions and suggestions!
 

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The quickest and most humane way of putting fish out of their misery is to put them into the freezer. The intense cold puts tham to sleep almost instantly and they feel no pain.

If you ask your LFS or Qualified Aquariust they will tell you the same thing. We see our LFS having to put many fish to sleep this way.

So sorry to hear of your fishes ill health and inevitable death please, ensure you put him to sleep in a painless way. Chopping his head off sounds mortifying to me, I most certainly could never bring myself to doing that.

Good luck with it, let us know how you are going.
 

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There is nothing painles about freezing. What hapens is that ALL her muscles will instantly contract(that is as painful as it gets) and she will not be able to move at all. Death does not come that fast and there is also a feeling of sufocation since all muscles are contracted.
Sick and gruesome as it may sound cuting her head of is way more pain free than having your whole body contract at once.
I had the bad luck of falling in almost freezing water while i was kayaking on mountain river, the pain i felt as my body started to contract is hard to put into words. I would rather go to a dentist and ask him to pull my teeth out one by one without painkiller rather than "taste" freezing cold water on my whole body again. Heck, i'd rather pull my teeth with my own hand than fall into that kind of water again.
But it is up to you. Good luck with puting your fish to sleep.
 

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Hello everybody. Sorry for the delayed notice but. Aruaques was put down yesterday at 7:37am.

Unfortunatly, it didn't go as well as I was hoping. It probably took over 30 secounds in the nearly freezing water. Sorry Redknee, I didn't see your post until today. I no longer recomend freezing water as a humaine way to put down a fish.

If anybody has anymore suggestions, feel free to send me a private message or post.

Thank you TFK community for helping me through this diffecult expirience.

Your Friend,
Small fry
 

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I was actually waiting for your post to see how it went down. Glad tho that she is not in pain anymore.
 

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well emotions aside, freezing was probably much better than letting her starve, 30 seconds of suffering is already far less then a couple more days of suffering.

Kitten, why not Melafix? I have used it on cases of cotton mouth before and its worked fine for me. I was told it was a weaker but better option since its supposed to have a lot of natural ingredients that benefit fish even when the ones that aren't sick...
 

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Sorry about your swordtail :( It's never easy to put down a fish IMO. I agree that I couldn't chop off my fish's head (no offense Redknee). Here's the method I use.

Clove oil, or eugenol, is available at most drug stores and is sold as a toothache remedy. It has been used for years as a fish anesthetic for surgeries and tagging procedures. Clove oil will put a fish to sleep and ensure it feels no pain. The fish can wake up from this sleep if removed from the clove bath, however. The last step of adding the vodka will ensure the fish expires.
Here are the steps for fish up to 3 inches (7.6 cm) in length:
1. Add tank water to a measuring cup or mixing bowl. Measure the amount of tank water you add to the cup or bowl and make a note of it. Place the fish in the container. If the fish is in a clear cup, place a dark towel around the cup to calm the fish.
2. Fill a small, clean jar or bottle with tank water, leaving some room at the top. You might use a baby food jar or pill bottle. Put 1 drop of clove oil in the jar or bottle, cap, and shake vigorously. The clove oil should emulsify, turning the water milky white.
Gently pour about 1/4 of this emulsified mixture into the fish's container. The fish will begin listing as it starts to fall asleep. Let the fish be for about 10 minutes.
The fish should be resting on the bottom of the tank when it has fallen asleep. It will look dead, but if you watch closely, its gills will be breathing once every few seconds. If after 10 minutes the fish is still rising off the bottom and swimming intermittently, retrieve the jar or bottle of emulsified clove oil, re-shake, and add the same dose to the fish's container. Wait again.
3. Once the fish is asleep on the bottom, add 20-25% white grain alcohol. For example, if the fish is in 8 oz (240 ml) of water, add 2 oz (60 ml) of vodka. Let the fish stay there for at least 20 minutes.
4. Check the fish carefully after 20 minutes for any gill movement. If there is no gill movement over a 60 second period, the fish has expired.
 
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