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OK so after my thread last week my son and I decided to get yet another tank since his 10 Gal was overloaded.

This is what it houses currently. Only the Glo Tetra's and Shrimp will be staying in the 10 Gal. Going to add 3-4 more Glo Tetra's.

2 Black skirt Tetra's
2 Glo Tetra's
1 Long skirt Tetra
3 Red Eye Tetra's
1 Panda Cory
3 ghost shrimp

We will be moving the following into the new tank and increasing the schools.

2 Black skirt Tetra's ( Adding 2-3 more)
1 Long skirt Tetra ( Adding atleast 3 more)
3 Red Eye Tetra's ( Adding 2-3 more)
1 Panda Cory ( Adding 4-5 more)

He wants a pair of Blue Rams for some color but I am not sure they will all be compatible.
I was also considering adding some guppies for a few colorful top swimmers.

We are looking for suggestions for a few additional colorful fish.

This will be a fully planted tank the following is coming in today and will be added to the tank this weekend to really begin the cycling. Tank has been running since Sunday with just the sand in it.

The Deluxe Plant Pack comes with the following plants: Micro Sword or Dwarf Hairgrass, Anubias Nana or Anubias Barteri Round Leaf, ChainSword - Narrow Leaf, Java Fern, Red Cryptocoryne or Green Cryptocoryne, Water Sprite, Ludwigia - Broad, Anacharis or Hornwort, Cabomba, and Amazon Sword Plant.
 

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Both "skirt" tetra are in fact the same species [in our profiles as Black Widow Tetra], the long-fin or white are developed variants. I might not add more whites, as the fins are nipping targets and having this could be less than an enjoyable experience.

Be careful with livebearers; only males works to avoid hundreds of fry every month, something than can quickly cause water problems if they are not removed, and few stores will want with livebearer fry that are so common.

The blue ram is a very delicate fish. It needs warmth, no less than 82F, and this high a temp will wear down your tetra and corys fast (C. panda will not last). Check our profiles, all these fish are included, and optimum water parameters including temp is given for each species. On temperature, all fish with very few exceptions are best in the middle of their given range; the high end is OK for short-term, but not continual as higher temperatures cause fish to work harder just to "live" and this weakens them.

When you move the existing tetra into the new tank, I would suggest doing so when you also have the new fish of that species. This will allow the entire group to enter the new environment together and establish their hierarchy; having 2 or 3 fish in a space, then adding a couple more, can result in bullies in the species like the skirts that are feisty to begin with.

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Thank you for the advice Byron. We were reading about the Rams last night and I told him that I didn't think they would be a good idea based on the profiles on here.

We were also reading about the "shrimp" cycling with frozen shrimp. Would you suggest this with the plants to kick in the cycling?

Also yes I know about the guppies breeding quickly as my female in my office tank is about to burst and I have only had her 2 weeks... So I was going to bring any surviving fry home to his tank but may nix that idea and get some other top swimmers.

Also, I guess we will not add any more of the White Tetra's so we won;t have to worry about fin nipping. And just add a few more black skirts. I am hoping to more them over first.

About how long would you suggest until we start moving fish?

We will be getting a API master test kit this weekend to begin testing the water.
 

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We were also reading about the "shrimp" cycling with frozen shrimp. Would you suggest this with the plants to kick in the cycling?
No, I wouldn't. Decaying shrimp is not pleasant, plus with live plants this is all unnecessary as the plants will take up the ammonia directly. Just add a few fish each time.

About how long would you suggest until we start moving fish?
Once the plants are in, the nest day for the first few. You've got some fast-growing plants in that earlier list, esp the floating plants like the Water Sprite which is an ammonia sink as we term it. But I would get some fertilizer to get the plants going well, they will likely be a bit "tired" after their journey.:) I use Seachem's Flourish Comprehensive Supplement [make sure it is this exact product, they make several in the "Flourish" line], and there is Brightwell Aquatics' FlorinMulti which is much the same thing. It takes very little, a 1/2 teaspoon doses a 30 gallon tank; I would use it twice weekly [1/2 teaspoon on day 1, 1/2 teaspoon on day 4, and day 1 should be the day after the water change] at the beginning, as there are very few natural nutrients in a new tank.

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Thank you

I just wanted to go ahead and thank you Byron for all the help you have given us with our tank! Do you have any fish you would recommend for a singleor paired similar to the blue ram that would add color to the tank.I was trying
to avoid any more schooling fish.

-Preston
 

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I just wanted to go ahead and thank you Byron for all the help you have given us with our tank! Do you have any fish you would recommend for a singleor paired similar to the blue ram that would add color to the tank.I was trying
to avoid any more schooling fish.

-Preston
You are very welcome. As to other fish, to recap this is a 30g tank, with 6 "skirt" tetra, 6 red eye tetra, and 4 panda corys. And live plants. Sand substrate.

I would not increase the upper fish, I think this is going to be the limit; both species grow, and they like space to swim.

The substrate is where a few more can work. Another cory species (4-5) is fine. For something "different" perhaps a whiptail catfish?

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That is quite lovely, nice work.:welldone:

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Thats great work with the tank straight from the off! Looks just lovely! And that central plant works very nicely there! (what is it btw?I Know i know it!)

Fell free to add more pics and keep us updated :)
 

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Thats great work with the tank straight from the off! Looks just lovely! And that central plant works very nicely there! (what is it btw?I Know i know it!)

Fell free to add more pics and keep us updated :)

Thanks for the comments guys. We are very pleased with how it came out.

We will be updating with pics as it grows and as we move the other fish over.

I believe the plant is ChainSword - Narrow Leaf. We ordered the Deluxe pack from Liveaquaria.com
 

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Thanks for the comments guys. We are very pleased with how it came out.

We will be updating with pics as it grows and as we move the other fish over.

I believe the plant is ChainSword - Narrow Leaf. We ordered the Deluxe pack from Liveaquaria.com
If the plant in question is the small one in the very centre, yes, that is Helanthium tenellum, commonly called the pygmy chain sword.

You will see it has a couple of inflorescences. This never occurs in submersed cultivation, so this is evidence that the plant has been cultivated emersed. A second proof of this is the shape of the leaves, which are the emersed form. As the plant establishes, these leaves will yellow and die, as new submersed growth emerges from the centre of the crown. You can read more in our profile, click the shaded name.

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If the plant in question is the small one in the very centre, yes, that is Helanthium tenellum, c ommonly called the pygmy chain sword.
You know......i read this bit......and was going to question it as it looks NOTHING like it! Added to that, the inflorescences and i was really doubting......But.....

You will see it has a couple of inflorescences. This never occurs in submersed cultivation, so this is evidence that the plant has been cultivated emersed. A second proof of this is the shape of the leaves, which are the emersed form. As the plant establishes, these leaves will yellow and die, as new submersed growth emerges from the entre of the crown. You can read more in our profile, click the shaded name.

Byron.
Then i read the rest and it makes much more sense now :)
This is still my favourite plant......and still one i cant get hold of :-(
 

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You know......i read this bit......and was going to question it as it looks NOTHING like it! Added to that, the inflorescences and i was really doubting......But.....



Then i read the rest and it makes much more sense now :)
This is still my favourite plant......and still one i cant get hold of :-(
They are nice plants, I have both species, H. tenellum and the larger H. bolivianum. They grow very fast, sending out runners all over the tank. Too bad you're not here; when they are actively sending out runners I am tossing out plantlets weekly.
 

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(Update)

That's so very interesting information about the plant. Its crazy that there is so much behind every little detail in a tank.

In the 10gal the improvements are:
3 Red eyes: Schooling better
1 "Neon Barb": Not hiding anymore.
1 Neon Tetra: Also not hiding as much.
1 Panda Cory: Has seemed to calm down a bit and is not flying across the tank.

We recently found out that we received a barb from Petsmart instead of a "GloTetra".
Currently this barb is not getting his own food, but waits for it to fall to the substrate.
We have been wondering what is wrong with him. Hoping he gets better with his soon to be school.

Meanwhile in the 27gal:
*Plants have gotten better looking.
*All of the "Skirt Tetras" are doing amazing. (although the white one sometimes gets chased into the cave in the back by the others.)

** Looking at moving the Cory over with some friends on Wednesday. ( He has been trying to dig a lot in the gravel, and I am worried he will hurt himself.)

:-D!!!Levels in both tanks are spot on!!!:-D
 

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Those are nice looking plants you got. Did we discuss fertilizer? I won't go into all that again, but ask if we didn't. Without regular liquid fertilizer they willnot stay nice and green like that.
 

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So before i had mentioned doing one really colorful fish in the tank. When at the LFS i came across the kribensis. I have read a lot about them, but i hear they are aggressive when spawning. But i also hear they are very peaceful even they aren't. How would these mix with the fish that have been planned out. More importantly the panda corys. Thanks in advance.
 

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So before i had mentioned doing one really colorful fish in the tank. When at the LFS i came across the kribensis. I have read a lot about them, but i hear they are aggressive when spawning. But i also hear they are very peaceful even they aren't. How would these mix with the fish that have been planned out. More importantly the panda corys. Thanks in advance.
This is risky. For one thing, you have tetra that do tend to be nippy with sedate fish and I would not recommend adding a fish that will be such a temptation. For another, these "centrepiece" fish tend to reduce the size of the aquarium visually and effectively. A number of smaller fish will fill a space making it seem larger while a larger fish makes the space seem smaller.
 

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Nilet if you are looking to get ahold of one of the plants you guys are talking about you can buy it from the place I did. Here is the link: Aquatic Plants for Freshwater Aquariums: ChainSword - Narrow Leaf
Thanks a lot for the consideration prestono...but not sure they will ship to the UK :roll: :-D

Byrons offered to send me them in the past too, but when you take in shipping prices, really not worth it! haha.

And i did find them here online not long ago, but i flat out refused to pay $25 per plant. Plus shipping! I also lost patience this last week and re did my whole tank 2 nights ago with new plants!
 
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