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1. Size of tank? 10gallon

2. Water parameters: Not a clue. I haven't ever had an issue in the 2+ years I've had this tank going and I had testers for amonia and nitrates and such, but they were always low so I stopped buying them and just kept putting off buying a test kit.
a. Ammonia?
b. Nitrite?
c. Nitrate?
d. pH, KH and GH?
e. Test kit?

3. Temperature? 78-80

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)? FW

5. How long the aquarium has been set up? about 2 years, most everything is moved from a 5gallon that was set up for about a year before that

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them? I have a male Betta (timid temperment) about 4 years old, 2 grey/black Panda Garras about 2 years old (one is about 2 inches the other about inch and a half), 1 zebra nerite about 8 months, 1 Vampire Shrimp (not quite 2 inches) 1 month, Blue Mystery snail about 1 week, 5 Ghost Shrimp about a week

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants? 4 fake plastic plants, and loads of low light live plants and two marimo
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom? gravel
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors? Lage texas holey rock shaped like a skull and small piece of driftwood that has a hollow space underneath

9. a. Filtration? Yes a Tetra filter that came with the tank kit
b. Heater? yes

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used? 4 LED strips from Ikea that have been rigged into the hood. Most of the day they are on white, in the evening they go to darkblue/purple for a few hours and then get turned off (this has been the system for the entire time the tank has been set up)
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long? The tank is on the far side of a room, but gets a lot of natural lighting, though no direct sunlight.

11. a. Water change schedule? 50 - 70% at least once a week, more the last month
b. Volume of water changed?
c. Well water, tap water, RO water? Tap put through a britta filter, occasionally distilled
d. Water conditioner used? yes
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed? Every time the water is changed I use a turkey baster to clean the areas I drop algae tabs and areas I find gather gunk

12. Foods? Betta pellets, Algae tabs, freeze dried medley, bloodworms
How often are they fed? Betta pellets at least once a day, Algae tabs every other day generally, freeze dried medley/blood worms on occasion, no real schedule

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms? The smaller of my Panda Garras is missing his gills. That is a mild exaggeration. The skin over the gills seems to be damaged/gone leaving the red gills exposed. Its not a bright red, but looks more the natural red colour they've always been, just no longer covered. No change in behavior or appetite, no rubbing on anything, no lethargy, still swimming all over quickly making it impossible to get a photo, no issues breathing that I can tell, other than missing the skin over the top, still appear to work fine, no discolouration at edges or anywhere else. I check all my fish almost daily and this was not a slow thing.
b. Appearance of poop? Not a clue. These lunatics are all over the place.
c. Appearance of gills? See above

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? nope
b. What meds were used? nada

15. I tried hard to get a clear photo while they were eating, but he never holds still. This is not new behavior. My pandas are spazzes.

Filling this out I think I realized what the issue is, but I am still posting for other opinions as I have never dealt with anything more severe than a popped eye on my betta and my snail going dormant for a month. What I think happened is the smaller Panda has been going under the driftwood since I did some redecorating in the tank. I've seen the smaller panda go under via a hole in the side of the driftwood and scoot backwards back out. The bigger panda doesn't seem to be able to really fit in that hole so I'm thinking when he scooted out backwards he jacked up hie gills. I am going to check the driftwood for sharp edges at the spot and sand it down if I need to. I'll update on that soon as I check that out.
 

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That is very interesting. The dangers of decorating with items that have small holes and access points. We all learn the hard way. Keep us posted on what you find. It makes sense!
 

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That only took all night...



Good news bad news time. Good news this is the worst side I was having trouble getting a good look at. Bad news is he's slowly getting worse. Still active and eating but he's breathing harder and when I moved the light to shine on him he flicked about twice like tossing himself. Don't know if it was a tantrum about the light as I was there an hour messing with the tanks and trying to get his photo and he only did it once or if he's starting to get twitchy over a parasite. The edges on this side look darker and the gills redder than the other side. Both sides are pretty ragged on the edges though. I tried looking up medication in case it is a parasite but everything I find says high temps and water changes. We have no access so this tank gets to mid 80 some times and after my own QT I kept up with more water changes. Why is it when I clean my tank hardcore these fish have issues?
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What do you mean by.... "Why is it when I clean my tank hardcore these fish have issues? What exactly do you do when you "clean hardcore"?? Aren't the Panda Gara fish not a cleaning type fish themselves? Maybe I'm wrong, I've never been able to find them at my LFS.

Are you cleaning too much and causing a mini cycle? The first stage would be an ammonia spike that could seriously bother your fish.
 

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Oh no! Nothing like that. I just stick to my normal routine, but about a month ago I took out all the decor and gave the gravel a good cleaning and replaced all my plastic plants. Since then my nerite started a new pattern on its shell. For two weeks after that I was on medical leave from work and I added new plants and got algae growth on my glass cause the Pandas don't do windows apparently and my nerite went dormant as it tends to do. So during that two weeks I was working on my other two tanks and did a bit more water changes than usual, though not as much water as once. And I broke my bucket last fall so I haven't had any rain water either, just tap, plus I got the vampire shrimp recently and so it seems like the tank is cleaner than it has ever been in the last two years and this happened.
 
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