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I've currently got a 30g with a few cichlids and want to start a new 75 gallon Oscar tank, my questions are

- what will work on filtration without it costing me a bunch of money?.. im currently looking at getting 2 Marineland Penguin 350 Power Filters

- if I put 2 baby Oscars will they be ok?

- ive read and watched youtube videos on cycling a tank in 2 days using already established tank filter gunk in the new tank how true is this? and any recommendations without waiting a month.

- I wont buy plecos in the future but why did my 2 die and no other fish in the 30g? they were about an in an a half when I got them..

- whats an inexpensive stand for a 75g tank.. I was thinking of putting it on my computer desk (I have a laptop)

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I've currently got a 30g with a few cichlids and want to start a new 75 gallon Oscar tank, my questions are

- what will work on filtration without it costing me a bunch of money?.. im currently looking at getting 2 Marineland Penguin 350 Power Filters

- if I put 2 baby Oscars will they be ok?

- ive read and watched youtube videos on cycling a tank in 2 days using already established tank filter gunk in the new tank how true is this? and any recommendations without waiting a month.

- I wont buy plecos in the future but why did my 2 die and no other fish in the 30g? they were about an in an a half when I got them..

- whats an inexpensive stand for a 75g tank.. I was thinking of putting it on my computer desk (I have a laptop)

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Im a skippy, so I dont talk in gallons, I cannot answer All you questions, but will give some insight for you... Oscars are only suitable with Oscars. Every tank is different, I have started cycling 3x tanks, and I have used media from an established tank for all 3x tanks and the last tank I started to cycle finished the cycling 1st before the others so there are NO hard and fast rules, EXCEPT for 'patience is the key' Please be aware if you put it on your desk, your desk may not support it, think of the weight -example 100 litre tank, holds 10 -20 kg gravel + decorations + the weight of the water approx 1kg for every litre, so you are looking at least 100kg for thr tank NOT including the glass itself.

Did you check the parameters of your tankwater? Were the survivors of your tank near the top? How long ago did you get the plecos? Did they show any signs of illness? May have just been a number of things again, I am picking at strws here as you have not provided enough info to give an exact cause or even to go down any path to advise what went wrong.
 

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first, ...
how heavy is your 75 gallon aquarium ?
Aquarium Sizes and Weights Chart

75gallon listed here as 850lb
so depending on decorations and low water levels, ... 800-900lb

i don't think your computer desk is going to hold it. i could be wrong, ... but i would rather err on the side of caution, ... that's a lot of water you don't want on the floor if your desk collapses in the middle of the night

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if you can jump up and down on your desk with a friend and your desk holds up after a set time, ... maybe consider putting the aquarium there
 

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not one of my other fish seem like they are having any problems and I got the plecos after about a week of getting the other fish, I waited and put the cichlids in 3 days after putting media from my cousins 55g community tank that hes had running for 2-3 years.. the plecos did hang around the top some times but non of the other fish have ever stayed at the top unless they were getting food..
as for the 75g would be around 284L I believe if I brace the middle ill be fine.. but my cousin is a carpenter and says if I buy the wook he will build me one.

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I thought it was 55g minimum for 1 Oscar, I've seen all kinds of videos on youtube of 2 Oscars and some other fish in a 75, but if 75 is a minimum for 1 Oscar what else can I put in there that wont become food? im not trying to say your wrong im just looking for info ;)
 

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oscars are ... good with other oscars, ... i tend to stay away from aggressive fish.

different aggressive fish are your best bet on compatibility, ... because the other fish will stand up for itself, it will give as good as it gets.

but ... best to stay away from this idea, ... worst case scenario you loose one or the other, then both as infection sets in after a fight.

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just don't put it on your computer desk unless it's good to hold 1/2 ton of weight easily

Edit 2:
from searches on smaller fish for min. tank sizes, ...
sure the 1" per gallon rule is good for stocking
generalized, it seems 10 gallons per inch is min. size for fish health (adult size)

a 2" fish (adult) is typically asking for a 20 gallon tank min.
a 10" fish tends to want a 100 gallon tank

from looking online
min. requirements
55 - 1 oscar
75 - 2 oscars
125 - 3 oscars (recommend 150)
200 - 4 oscars
 

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that took a bit to find how large adult oscars get
11-12"

so i guess minimum size is also how many fish in the tank

community fish i'm gong to stick with 1" of fish per 10 gallons for min. size
for aggressive solitary fish i'm going to guess a tank 1/2 that size as an absolute minimum

otherwise the min. size for what i've ever found relates to how much space the fish needs to move around comfortably.
 

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getting them small, ...

i would expect when they are younger they will be less agressive towards each other, more comptable in groups.

but that's like kids vs. adults

adults have more hormones that can bring us to more violence when someone intrudes on our space.

the hard part is getting them from a pet store they're like children, ...
for fish, as a young child, first priority is stay alive, ... don't spend your energy fighting your brother till you're older and you see your brother is eating your food, ... then beat the snot out of him because it's yours, and you don't want jeff looking at that food over there either, so beat him up twice as much to teach him a lesson

welcome to aggressive fish don't they place nice with others :)
 

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Two isn't reccomended in a 75 for the sheer fact that they get up to 14" and are territorial, messy eaters. 55 is too small for an Oscar because even at 12", they can hardly turn around due to the depth of the tank. I strongly advise, having bred Oscars myself, that if you really want an Oscar, you get a single Oscar with no other tankmates. I have seen Oscars with pike, bass and other monster fish kept in 10 gallon tanks. YouTube is not a good site to base your stocking on.

The 1" per gallon rule does not hold true, either, because, in theory, that means you can put a Goldfish in a 10 gallon tank. We all know that this is not the case. The bioload of the fish has to be taken into consideration, as well as how large it gets as an adult.

Edit - Also, just because two fish were raised together, doesn't mean they won't kill eachother as adults. Look at bettas, for example, they are fine as fry but AS SOON as the sex is distinguishable, they will begin fighting. It doesn't matter that they were born and raised together, it is in their nature as territorial, agressive fish. Now, there are some exceptions to this, but DO NOT count on your fish being that exception. They are exceedingly rare and happened upon generally by mistake or through the carelessness/inexperiece of a fishkeeper.
 

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Flint, agreed

i know that 1" per gallon rule is ... it's a good place to start, and it takes almost nothing into effect

goldfish & the common pleco are notorious for eating & pooping lots, this pushes the bioload far higher than a standard fish that has that typical narrow fish look to it.

fancy goldfish have all the mass squished into a short body, discus, angelfish, others, have all the body size, but a shorter body, ... fish that eat & poop lots, doesn't matter their size, they eat & poop far more than the average fish...

dietary requirements rise just for larger fish, again throwing this off, ...

your right, the 1" per gallon rule of thumb is ... its' a good place to start when you don't know much about how to stock a tank, ... then they start rating fish on bioload ... how much will that one fish increase ammonia (and ultimately nitrate) levels in a tank due to their natural body functions

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within reason, i have decided (just my own arbitrary decisions) that minimum size aquariums are about 10 gallons for every inch of fish, ... just to ensure the fish has enough room to swim in.

it's not always going to be right, some fish are fine moving slowly, so a smaller tank is fine, ... some fish really want & need a larger tank just to have room to really get going, ... but it's a good place to start i think if you don't know anything about the fish.

in both cases, always best to read up on the fish in your own personal time instead of looking for what others say, if unsure, err on the side of caution and get a larger tank.

best advice i ever heard "get a tank large enough for your fish when they have reached full grown size, because every intent of "i'll get a larger tank when they need it", ... your fish will continue growing till it's cramped and unhealthy, and that will continue till it dies, stressed & unhappy, ... the concern here is you have every best intent at heart, you can look at your savings and know "yes, this is reasonable, i'll be able to get a larger tank when i need one", ... but how sure are you that when you have to get a larger tank there hasn't been some emergency that was more important that spent that cash for you, ... vehicle repairs, family emergency, something came up you were not ready for.

getting a tank that is minimum size is ... never a good idea.
stocking a tank to the max is never a good idea.
and these are moderately fine with community & friendly fish.

if you've got aggressive fish in the mix, ... the smallest tank size you will ever get is for a breeding pair, sure they're still territorial, but like any couple, you make exceptions for the one you love, you do want them closer and that helps, ... in that case you can put 2 oscars in a min. sized tank for 2 oscars. if they're a breeding pair. ... i wouldn't recommend doing this with 2 males, ... and 2 females are questionable.

if you've got a 75 gallon tank and want to push the limits, sure get two oscars, ... learn to sex them so you can tell ASAP if you've got a male & female, ... if not, swap out one of them and get a different one.

and i have zero knowledge or advice on how these fish treat their young, ... maybe their food, maybe not, ... but gotta look into this stuff.

less pride, less ego, less stubbornness, ... it doesn't matter what you want, if you push ahead in the direction it sounds like your going, your going to be really upset to find one dead. and then is the realization that it wasn't worth pushing the limits, ...

do your homework, do a ton of research, put aside your ego, these aren't lego that are yours to play with, they're living creatures that have their own quirks and likes, ... you can want whatever you want but if they want different you're going to loose, ... and possibly the fish will loose too (big time)
 

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The Oscar will eat the guppies way past when he or she is full, so I personally wouldn't reccomend that. 125 seems to be the basic rule of thumb for a pair of Oscars in the Oscar community. Putting two in a 75 MIGHT work, but even if you get lucky and don't end up with one killing the other, you WILL need to invest in exceptional canister filters and still be doing large water changes 2-3 times a week, maybe more. You need to keep in mind that while the general size of these fish is 12-14", there ARE monsters out there that get up to 17". In that case, you will be lucky to even keep him alone in that 75. Honestly, if you want more than one "monster fish" in that tank, go with Jack Dempseys or the likes. Otherwise, I would advise having a single Oscar as the only fish. They are very rewarding fish to keep and maybe someday, you can get a huge tank and keep multiple, but, as Flear said, you aren't playing with Legos, you are playing with an animal's life and well-being. Even though these are "just fish", when you bring them home, YOU are responsible for their quality of life, just as you'd be responsible if you put a pair of pitbulls (a dog-agressive breed by genetics) in a bathroom for life. We are just here to help you and we always appreciate members coming here and asking before they go out and buy fish. :) Kudos to you for that! :thumbsup:
 

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a friend had an oscar fish years ago, she said she had it hand tamed, she could feed it from her hand, no one else, not even her husband would be allowed, the fish would snap at other hands just because.

no experience, but i would agree with Flint, rewarding, get to know your fish, and he'll treat you well too :)
 

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im not sure if I came off wrong but my ego has nothing to do with wanting 2 Oscars, im not sure if putting anything from other web pages/forums is permitted on here but ive read and the page is dedicated to Oscars and seems to have been around awhile and they agree 2 Oscars is too much for a 75g tank, BUT say there are some fish that will work very well in a 75g without creating a warzone such as Black Convicts, Firemouths, silver dollars, severums, and a few different types of catfish... the idea to get 2 Oscars was my girlfriends idea, I only wanted one but she wanted to have a pair 1 tiger and 1 albino.. the albino being hers.. I do understand these fish are very aggressive and territorial, that's why im here and everywhere else researching what my options are on these fish and what can go in the tank with them. I understand filtration is going to be a pain the backside but im going to start off with 2 400 emperors and buy a canister within a month,400 will work good for when I go to cycle the tank as my cousin has one on his 55 community tank and I can steal one of his cartridges.. When I get into new things I research ALOT and try not to make to many newb mistakes
 

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best bet in my opinion, ... pick fish that are likewise aggressive, each will stake out it's own territory.

get fish at the same time so one doesn't get the idea that "this is my tank" ... getting them at the same time is more likely (no guarantee) that the fish will say "fine, if you want that there, then i want this here" and they keep to themselves.

still that's a lot of territorial fish in a small tank, if your oscar is expected to reach 12", in a tank that's 48" long, ... your oscar is physically 1/4 the length of the tank, ...

breeding pair is still best bet. and leave well enough alone instead of putting other fish in there.

Edit:
looking at the physical size of a 75 gallon tank.
a 12" fish in that tank, ... wow, that's cramped in my opinion, sure it can turn around, but not a lot of extra room.
 

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That's good that you do this research. Albinos are generally Lutinos mislabled, so you know. I personally wouldn't add to the bioload of an Oscar tank, it's not worth it in my opinion, but if you really want to add a tankmate, a single convict or severum would be okay depending on the personality of your Oscar - it could still easily decide that it doesn't want to live in a confined space with another fish. The problem with doing this would be that Oscars grow 100x faster than the convict or severum would, creating another problem.

Silver Dollars need schools, Firemouths and Jack Dempseys would require a large tank to get along with an Oscar due to territory. What kind of catfish were you looking into?
 

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You could do these couple of mixtures -

1 Oscar
1 Convict
(Possibly 1 Featherfin but you'd be pushing your bioload at this point, you'd have to really stay on top of WCs and watch for agression)

1 Oscar
1 Severum
1 Featherfin
1 Stripped or Regular Raphael (NOT SPOTTED)

1 Oscar
1 Severum

1 Oscar
1 Convict


I would personally like a tank that had

1 Oscar
1 Severum
1 Featherfin

Featherfins are amazing, much better than a Raphael in my eyes. I prefer to keep my Oscar alone in his 75 gallon, however, regardless of the fact that I have the same filtration you are planning on. Also, take a look at Dr. Fosters and Smith, I got my two Emperor 400's for the same you'd pay for one in a pet store.
 
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