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So I am trying to add an angelfish to my tank, and today my second try in two weeks died. I have made sure that the angelfish I buy are not newly stocked in the store. After I have acclimated them, they both did the same thing, they immediately went to a back corner of the tank and if they swam around at all, it would always be along the back glass. I am wondering if I am doing something wrong? Here is my acclimation procedure...

1- The bag from the pet store goes into the tank
2- After 15 minutes the bag in opened and some(up to half) of the water is taken out
3- I add one ounce of my tank's water to the bag every 5 minutes
4- I keep adding tank water until I think that there is more of my tank's water than store water in the bag, this also may include me dumping some bag water to make room for more tank water.
5- At this point(usually 45 minutes later) I net the fish out of the bag, and add him to the tank. This is where they immediately go to the corner

Also my tank parameters are: Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 10, ph 6.8-7.0.

Is there something that I should be doing differently? Should I buy more than one angelfish to reduce the stress of a new tank, then after it looks like they are settled, return the ones I am not wanting to keep(I only want one)? Any ideas or comments are appreciated!
 

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how big is the tank and what else do you have in it?
are you positive your buying healthy fish as far as you can see from the get go?

its commonly skipped over ( atleast in freshwater ) but you might want to consider QT-ing your new fish. you can inspect them for disease/sickness as well as observe eating habbits.
 

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Your acclimation procedure sounds ok. Have you tried testing the LFS water Ph to compare with yours? Just take a sample from the bag before you add any of your tank water. Are these very young angels? How big are they?
 

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Onefish2fish- I want to put one angelfish in my 30 gallon community. The tank is in my signature. I am no expert on angelfish, but I make sure to look for any visible sign sickness. I also make sure all the fins are full and haven't been nipped at as well as checking that the ventral fins are not broken looking(It was suggested to me to not get one with broken ventrals). I also stay away from ones that look skittish. Is there anything else I should be looking for? Also, my QT tank is still cycling, so I can't use it yet otherwise I would definitely be doing that.


Jeaninel- I buy the 1.5" angels because I was told that if they grow up with the guppies, they will be less likely to eat them in the future. Should I be buying the 3" ones? I haven't tested the bag water, I will do that next time. Is there something that I should change in my procedure if the ph is much different?
 

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I usually pick one from the store that is active with the group but not zipping from one side to the other. In the store I usally see a group of angels together and usually one or two that aren't. I try and pick from the group. Should I get one of the loners?
 

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being larthagic means sitting in the corner away from the group by itself. this is a sign of sickness, i dont know if thats what you mean but just a heads up. maybe you should try a different store as this one has been giving you bad luck
 

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Hope you have better luck with this store. Maybe try a little older angels as the young ones can be quite sensitive.
 

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Also, angelfish are better off in groups, usually three or more is best. If only two, one generally will emerge dominant and harass the other all the time. Sounds like the lfs is getting/selling bunk fish to me. Keep an eye out for tattered fins, labored breathing, twitchy or subdued swimming and skiddishness. All are signs of some kind of problem. Maybe ask the lfs to feed them a little, they should go after it veraciously if they're in good health. HTH!!
 

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Ok, I am on my third angel. This one is a little older probably 3" or so right now. It is still doing the same thing as the other two though. One thing that I thought of today is that I might have too much water movement for them(300gph). I turned both my filters to the lowest setting today, so we shall see if that makes a difference. If this one doesn't come away from the back wall by tomorrow evening I might just take it back to the store and not do an angelfish in this tank:cry:
 

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What temp is the tank? Angels prefer warm water. Increase to 80 degrees if it isnt already there. Verify your thermometer with another.
Have you tried doing a water change or 2 and see if the fish perks up? Could be something in the water that doesnt show up on test kits.
Are you adding any chemicals to the water, to adjust ph or whatever?
There is something about your tank the angels don't like, you just have to figure out what it is.
And when the angel grows up, the guppies will likely start disappearing.
 

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You can ask the LFS to keep the fish for you for a week(pay for the fish first), to see if the fish is ok.
Test the water from the LFS and your water with your test kit.

If you can, buy some from aquabid.com, buy quarter size or bigger, ask for instructions from the seller they know their stock. Much better then the LFS.
 

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I dont see what could be wrong. Ure previous angels were way too small (1.5"), so that's risky. They might not be eating, but then they'd still survive longer. Maybe ure water is too hard.

I'm not a fan of a lone angel in a tank
 

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Actually today the angel has not been hiding out in the back at all. It will swim across the front of the tank every few minutes then hang out by the side glass. I will see a little later if it eats at feeding time, and I will also do a water change tonight to see if that helps at all. As far as chemicals go, the only thing that has been added to my tank was API's StressZyme to help with my cycle. I do not add anything to artifically raise or lower ph. The store water ph for this angel tested at 7.6 and my tank is at 7.0, so I took an extra amount of time to acclimate because of the difference. I keep my tank temp at 80 degrees, and I just double checked it with a digital kitchen thermometer, it said 80.0 on the dot.

Things are looking up so far. We shall see how it goes after feeding and the water change.
 

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When purchasing any fish, would recommend to have them sitting at local store for few days. It all depend wether lfs receive direct shipment from farm/breeder or local wholesalers. Either way, still let them pulled out from shipping stress at lfs. Many times, fish will break down after few days of arrival.

When choosing fish, put your hand over the tank, pretending feeding, and choose one that is responding (alert) to this.

If want to acclimate better, use bucket or shallow cat litter pan (new). Hold down air line tubing b/n rim and hood, prime the hose (suck on tubing) and tie the knot (if cant tie fast enough, hold the end of tubing llittle higher than tan). Tilt the pan against wall so that fish will be still underwater when removed from bag. Loosen the knot so it drip into container. Should remove some of the water few times from the container, just in case NH3 accumulated in the ba. them continue dripping for little longer period.

By any chance, Is your tank lot deeper than lfs tank? As I mentioned before, new arrival at the store might not have well ajusted pressure differences from bag to lfs tank. Have expeperienced that many Altum Angels (wild ) perished by just dumping into deeper diisplay tank from box after acclimation. Thus would recommend to p/u angels which were in lfs for while.

In case your tank is lot deeper (more than 20" depth), lmk. ther are other DIY that you can use for new arrival to get used to depth. and use bucket over shallow pan to accomodate the depth of tank. When introducing, could try small container to catch and release rather than net.

As one member pointed out, checking to see if there are pH difference b/n yours and lfs, might help you finding causes!!
 

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The store clerk said that this batch of angels came in a shipment over 3 weeks ago. And no, I do not have a tall tank, it is the standard for 30gals (18-19").

So I have done a PWC and waited awhile to feed the fish. The angelfish swims throughout the tank now very timidly though. Except for when I approach the tank, then it just goes back into it's corner and just looks at the back wall. So when I put flakes in for all the fish, the angel never got any because it waited for probably ten minutes after I had stepped away before it started swimming around again. It looks like it wants to eat because it has been nibbling at the driftwood and some of the algae on the fake plants. I don't know how to feed it if it gets scared when I approach.
 

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Give it a little time and your angel will soon learn to associate you with food. It will take a cue from the other fish when it is feeding time.
 

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did you try worms yet? Try some blood worms, or try dipping flakes in liquid garlic.
keep doing 25-50% water changes, always helps
dim the lights a little
The angel is not gasping for air and doesn't have locked fins, all should be ok
try using prime as a water conditioner
 
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