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Hey guys/gals totally new to the whole aquarium scene lol. But i just started my first tank.

So far i have:

A Freshwater Teacup Stingray
3 Catfish
3 Gouramis
A Black ghost knife fish
An Angel fish
and 3 of this gold striped fish that i can't remember the name of. hahaha

Also i have a few fake plants in the tank, 4 to be exact. and a small japanese esque decor. The bottom of my tank is sand (cuz of the ray). The PH stays at about neutral and i constantly have the filter/heater running. the water temp is about 78-82 degrees F. I feed my fish twice a day of 1 cube of bloodworms and a pinch of tropical fish flakes.

I was just wondering if everything seemed cool with my tank, like if there were any things you could spot out that were wrong with my setup from my description.

Also i was wondering if it was necessary to get a light for over the tank. From what i see they are a bit pricey... =/

Any input at all would be GREATLY appreciated, so thanks ahead of time.

:)

--Mike
 

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hello there and welcome.
how long has the tank been up and running for ?
 

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It will be One week tomorrow. Well thats when i put the ray in. He was my first.

The tank has been on a filter and a heater for a week and 4 days.
 

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If you want any of your fish to survive, I would return them to the store until you're tank has cycled. Before going any further, I'd read up on cycling. Take those fish back and choose smaller fish once the tank is cycled. Not only is the tank overstocked, but many of the fish you've chosen will become much too large for the 20 gallon.

I don't mean to sound harsh, or to be the one with bad news.... but those fish just won't work in that tank. I'd imagine the ray cost a good deal, so it would probably be a tough loss if he dies. You may want to try to return him and get a refund. I'd give quite the lecture to whoever sold you those fish for a 20 gallon aquarium.
 

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Actually, I didn't see a tank size listed. How big is the tank, exactly?

Just so you know, there is no such thing as a "teacup stingray." All of these are just juvenile freshwater stingrays. The most commonly sold freshwater ray, the Motoro ray, eventually gets to be 22" in size so a tank 30" wide will eventually be needed. Even a 180 gallon tank is only 24" inches wide, so you get the idea: this fish needs a *very* big tank eventually. Also, rays have a big appetite and won't eat prepared foods, so you can look forward to big food bills.

The catfish, depending on what species they are, will probably also get very large.

The gouramis might also get quite large depending on species, and many types are aggressive towards one another and might not get along.

Black ghost knives get up to 20" in length, so I wouldn't want to keep an adult in a tank narrower than that.

Angelfish need a tank at least 18" tall since they grow to be a very tall fish.

I'm sure this sounds quite negative, but understand that some of your fish (and possibly a lot of them) grow very large and will eventually need a very large aquarium.
 

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I was planning on getting a larger tank very soon. Like within the month, so the 20 gallon is just temp.

Prolly a 150 gallon or so, depending on what i can find one for.

And thanks for the input i appreciate it.
 

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Eventually, you're going to need a larger tank than that, as your ray will likely reach 2 feet across and a 150 gallon tank is only 18" wide. Also, depending on what type of catfish they are, you might need an even larger tank as many commonly sold catfish (like iridescent sharks) reach huge lengths (three feet or so) so I'm not sure 150 gallons will be enough.
 

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I do agree that you'll need a large tank, but many of these "teacup stingrays" only reach 12-18 inches. They aren't completely impossible to keep if you're diligent, dedicated and well educated. Your #1 priority right now if you decide to keep it should be to ID what kind of ray it is. Also, be aware that they are venomous.

A custom tank that is shallow and wide is best. You don't need *so* much water volume as much as you need floor area for your ray to swim. Also, time to think about tankmate compatibility. It's likely he's gonna eat some of the fish you have him with right now...
 

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The one thing that boggles my mind is the pet stores. You would think that you might need some basic knowledge of the animal your selling..

Client : "Umm excuse me sir. Will these two fish be ok together in the same tank?"

Store cleck : "Yes of course they will mam. Snakeheads and Oscars get along just fine"

Client "ohh that's wonderful, my little girl will be so happy when I put them in with snuggles her favotite little goldfish. Thank you very much!"

Store Clerk " Your welcome mam, ohh and just to let you know we're having a sale on feeder fi... I mean goldfish this week. Have a nice day"

I might have digressed a wee bit...
 

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while there is money to be made,
they will continue doing what they will,i think the only way
to over come this sort of thing is to look up the fish you want to keep.
(i am not having a dig at you Dox. :) )we have all i've no doubt bought on impulse at least once ,i know i have,
and not just fish.
 

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I will admit that i know VERY little about fish/aquariums. But thats the reason i signed up here lol. so i could learn me some fishies.

Me and my cousin are trying to find somewhere to buy the right type of glass for a HUGE tank. Like enormous.

But anyway. The store that i bought the ray from said he was a very peaceful ray unless hes being bothered/scared. All the fish i have now seem to be getting along pretty well so far. so i dont think thats much of a problem. As long as the fish are longer than an inch the ray wont eat em or anything.

I bought the angelsifh ray and black ghost knife from a legit fish store, they told me what to do, what to feed them and that i would need a bigger tank eventually. But the other fish i just got from petco, so i mean they dont know what the hell they are talking about.

Anyways, The catfish are Pictus catfish i believe, they are about 3 in long with spots right now. The angelfish is like 2 in and the 3 other gold ones are like 3 in long as well. The black ghost is about 4 in. The ray is 4 in. in diameter.
 

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Yes impulse buying lol.. I am notorious for impusle buying. I bought a 300$ remote control big wheels, played with it twice and then gave it away a month later :p LOL. Oh and just to be sure you know I wasn't mocking you, I was mocking pet stores and the priceless advice giving people they employ..
 

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Well, keep in mind that if you choose to keep the ray, he is your responsibility. Rays are wild caught creatures that have not been bred in captivity and often live over 20 years. Anything that may happen from poor husbandry is on your conscience.

On the other hand, I would kill for a ray, and if I had a basement, I would get one. My friend is moving to a house in Taiwan with an indoor koi pond which she intends to keep rays in instead. Perfect place for them!

It's time to start planning, saving and doing *lots* of research. This is going to be an expensive pet.

The best way to build your own mega tank is to make most of it out of plywood sealed with aquarium safe sealant. Most people build it with a glass "window" on one side, but since rays like such wide aquariums, and are best viewed from above, I'd probably build it more like a pool, with wood sides to be viewed from above. Perhaps check out some of the "touch pools" in aquariums for inspiration?
 

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I've read about people breeding the freshwater rays in very large tanks. That guy with the 50,000 gallon in his basement has bred them. As far as I know, though, the vast majority of rays sold in stores are wild caught.
 

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and indoor koi pond thats cool idea. you know how people set up like weeping walls. you could do a wicked waterfall down your wall and have like a 3 foot deep like 300 gallon ray tank at the bottom. just have it take up like the whole corner of a room. that would rock! i may have to do this when i buy a house.
 
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