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Hi, I establish new tank (60cm,35cm,30cm Dimension). I used black sand and my water was good but whenever I use Co2 tablet or plant new plant to aquarium , water starts to become cloudy. I try to use Tetra Crystal Water but it doesn't work.
Although I have established it 2 weeks ago but I am worry about it because I have many plants in it. I saw in many forum it can be related to bloom bacteria or incomplete cycle but I'm not sure. please help me what should I do to clear my water.
 

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Hi, I establish new tank (60cm,35cm,30cm Dimension). I used black sand and my water was good but whenever I use Co2 tablet or plant new plant to aquarium , water starts to become cloudy. I try to use Tetra Crystal Water but it doesn't work.
Although I have established it 2 weeks ago but I am worry about it because I have many plants in it. I saw in many forum it can be related to bloom bacteria or incomplete cycle but I'm not sure. please help me what should I do to clear my water.
Just give it time. Perhaps you didn't rinse the sand as good as you could have. The filter will eventually clean out any floating particles. I also do think I've heard of cloudy water from a bacteria bloom, so that could also be it. It will work itself out. :-D Don't use the chemicals, especially if it isn't working. The plants won't be effected by the cloudy water.
 

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Hi, I establish new tank (60cm,35cm,30cm Dimension). I used black sand and my water was good but whenever I use Co2 tablet or plant new plant to aquarium , water starts to become cloudy. I try to use Tetra Crystal Water but it doesn't work.
Although I have established it 2 weeks ago but I am worry about it because I have many plants in it. I saw in many forum it can be related to bloom bacteria or incomplete cycle but I'm not sure. please help me what should I do to clear my water.
What exactly does "establish" mean? Cycled or freshly setup? With enough plants the cycle is irrelevant anyway. Are there any fish in there yet? What are your water hardness and pH?

Cloudy is not a problem and will clear on its own and certainly won't hurt the plants whether from substrate stirring or bacterial bloom. Using a chemical treatment isn't necessary, particularly if you really don't know what you are treating.

Any particular reason that you are using a "CO2 tablet"?

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Hi, I establish new tank (60cm,35cm,30cm Dimension). I used black sand and my water was good but whenever I use Co2 tablet or plant new plant to aquarium , water starts to become cloudy. I try to use Tetra Crystal Water but it doesn't work.
Although I have established it 2 weeks ago but I am worry about it because I have many plants in it. I saw in many forum it can be related to bloom bacteria or incomplete cycle but I'm not sure. please help me what should I do to clear my water.

IMHO kill the lights and stop adding any food untill it clears.

This happens to be every once in awhile starting a new tank. Killing the lights and suspending feeding helps to balance and stabilize out the tank.

After it clears resume with less lighting and feeding so it stays clear.

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the clopudyness is from the co2 tablet, this is replicated with anyone that uses a powerhead to diffuse co2. has something to do with the co2 and will have to be tolerated as long as you are using the tablet. you can look up clody water when using co2 and you will find the same responses on google.

it is also not uncommon for a newer tank that has finished cycleing to go through many "mini cycles" this will happen from time to time. it is the bacteria in the tank multiplying to accomidate for changeing bioloigical loads. it will become less and less frequent the longer the tank is setup.
 

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Hi Jeff and thank you. What I mean about using establish is that my tank is new and I set it with fresh water and just use Co2 tablet and Crystal water. I have to say that unfortunately I dont have any PH tester or anything else so I want to maintain it simply and I bought Co2 tablet instead of Co2 system because it is cheaper and simple to control. You say Co2 is not necessary. OK , I will be happy to hear about how can I maintain my aquarium simply without Co2 system. I attach some photos of my aquarium. It can be useful for you to check my aquarium more accurate.


 

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Jeff I have another question too. In my country some people believe that it is not useful to close the planted aquarium from top and it should be open always. I think you are master in these issues and I want you to help me. Thank you.
 

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Hardly a master... just reasonably well researched, slightly experienced with a well planted tank and willing to help. If you want to see my tank, check the aquarium tab under my screen name on the left.

That is a very nice looking setup and definitely well planted. If you decided to add fish, or when, you should have no concern about the typical nitrogen cycle whatsoever.

Are you going to add fish? If so, what are you planning? It makes a difference as to what you may want to be doing. Fish are a large source of CO2 and nitrogen (from ammonia) that the plants thrive on. I was assuming that there were going to be fish but I don't see any.

I can't be certain but the light looks like an under cabinet fluorescent fixture that you have used some foil as a reflector for... very economical. The only issue would be that the tube may not be the best light for plants.

A tube rated for 6,000 to 7,000 k (degrees kelvin) would be ideal for the plants, although if what you are using is producing good growth in the plants, it may be fine even if not ideal.

Fish or not, you should at least find out what your water hardness is, preferably in both GH (General Hardness) and KH (carbonic hardness or alkalinity). If on city water, the utility can give you this if you call them or it may be on their website. They might list the pH as well.

Covering the water doesn't typically seal the opening but it does reduce evaporation. With no fish you don't need to worry about fish getting out so it can be kept either way... it does keep you from dropping the light fixture in though.

Plant question: What are the two leafy plants? The large one that sort of looks like a sword but has very defined veins and the smaller version that looks similar? They don't strike me as being aquatic for some reason. Did you buy them from a store that kept them submerged?

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This is a new setup, so may I ask what you are doing in the way of nutrient fertilization? I'd also be interested in what the "CO2 tablets" are, I've not come across these. You may or may not need them, as Jeff said.

For aquatic plants to photosynthesize, they need sufficient light (intensity) and 17 nutrients in rough proportion; carbon is one of these, and while it is a macro-nutrient, adding it will not benefit unless it is insufficient to balance the remaining nutrients and light. Several of us on this forum use the natural planted tank method, meaning we do not add CO2 but rely on what occurs naturally from (mainly) the breakdown of organics by bacteria in the substrate. We can use minimal light [adding CO2 requires more light intensity to balance] and less fertilization to achieve the balance.

Thge natural method is set out in my 4-part series stickied at the head of this section, entitled A Basic Approach to the Natural Planted Aquarium, that may provide more background.

And, welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum. Nice to have you with us.:-D

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Thank you Jeff for your consideration nad taking your time for my problem. I saw your aquarium. It is very beautiful and dreamy. Your advices are useful and I will do them. I would like to have some fishes in this tank but plants comes first and fishes comes second to me. About two leafy plants I have to say all of them are aquatic you can find the large one in Iran especially lake and spring-heads but the small one I think is related to Singapore or Malaysia. Now, I have two question:

1-If I want to use fish, what do you think about discus or neon? or do you have another offer?
2-I would like your idea about lighting your aquarium by LED light; we have plenty of models LED in Iran. If is possible I want to create light same a s you but I done know what LED is correct. Please give me quantity of LED and specific features of them. I think I can find it and make it.

Thank you Jeff.
 

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Thank you Jeff for your consideration nad taking your time for my problem. I saw your aquarium. It is very beautiful and dreamy. Your advices are useful and I will do them. I would like to have some fishes in this tank but plants comes first and fishes comes second to me. About two leafy plants I have to say all of them are aquatic you can find the large one in Iran especially lake and spring-heads but the small one I think is related to Singapore or Malaysia. Now, I have two question:

1-If I want to use fish, what do you think about discus or neon? or do you have another offer?
2-I would like your idea about lighting your aquarium by LED light; we have plenty of models LED in Iran. If is possible I want to create light same a s you but I done know what LED is correct. Please give me quantity of LED and specific features of them. I think I can find it and make it.

Thank you Jeff.
You can look on the tab under "Tropical Fish Profiles" and learn about types of fish, requirements etc. I think your tank is too small for Discus, and they need very special water requirements, and may not be a good fish to start out with. It's good to understand what type of water you have, soft, hard, what is the ph etc? From there you can make fish choices that best suit the fish.
 

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Thank you Jeff for your consideration nad taking your time for my problem. I saw your aquarium. It is very beautiful and dreamy. Your advices are useful and I will do them. I would like to have some fishes in this tank but plants comes first and fishes comes second to me. About two leafy plants I have to say all of them are aquatic you can find the large one in Iran especially lake and spring-heads but the small one I think is related to Singapore or Malaysia. Now, I have two question:

1-If I want to use fish, what do you think about discus or neon? or do you have another offer?
2-I would like your idea about lighting your aquarium by LED light; we have plenty of models LED in Iran. If is possible I want to create light same a s you but I done know what LED is correct. Please give me quantity of LED and specific features of them. I think I can find it and make it.

Thank you Jeff.
Well, I have no idea what native plants you have in Iran. Those are not something that I have run across at all.

Quite a range in choice between the Discus and Neon tetra . Skip the Discus, needs a very large tank with extremely soft acidic and hot water. Neons are OK, some small rasbora, barbs. You can just put these names into the search and get all of the options. There are many but you have time while you are letting the tank get going with the plants anyway.

As mentioned, you should know the hardness and pH of your water and scour above fish profiles for fish that match this and your tank size.

As far as LEDs are concerned, check out this thread that a fellow assembled his own fixture.

The key is getting 1 Watt LEDs that are rated for between 6,000k and 7,000k light temperature and matching power supply and heat sink. The heat sink is important as if it is not done properly the bulbs will burn out quickly.

Jeff
 

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Thank you all of you especially Jeff and GwenInNM. I will do your advices until next week and will report results to this page just I'm in doubt whether use fish in my tank or not. Because I think without fish worries about caring are not much. However I want to know what are the reasonable reasons to use fish in planted aquarium. Indeed I want to know about advantages and disadvantages of using fish.
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Well, it's the other way around. If you are keeping fish, plants are very helpful, the returns are worth the effort. For plants, the fish are beneficial but not worth the effort if you really weren't looking for fish in the first place. The ammonia and CO2 they give off are beneficial but can be duplicated with less work than fish with supplementation. I rely on the fish for some of this and have no "plant only" experience.

Don't let me or anyone talk you into fish if you aren't really interested in keeping them.

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Well, it's the other way around. If you are keeping fish, plants are very helpful, the returns are worth the effort. For plants, the fish are beneficial but not worth the effort if you really weren't looking for fish in the first place. The ammonia and CO2 they give off are beneficial but can be duplicated with less work than fish with supplementation. I rely on the fish for some of this and have no "plant only" experience.

Don't let me or anyone talk you into fish if you aren't really interested in keeping them.

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I agree. Don't get fish just to put them in the tank. If you can get a Betta fish, they are easy fish to keep. Also, perhaps a shrimp only tank is something to consider.

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I also agree. Those who are only interested in aquatic plants will be wanting to provide high light, CO2, daily nutrients, etc, and to be honest all this does not suit fish that well. As only one example, you will want to dose nitrates (this provides the nitrogen that would otherwise come from fish and organics as ammonium) and all fish are sensitive to nitrates in varying degrees.

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