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I had originally planned on getting a Raphael catfish for my 29g blackwater community because I was going to upgrade the tank in the spring. However with the way my car is going tax returns may need to go towards a different vehicle, so I may not be able to get a tank suitable for a larger and still growing Raphael. I was on liveaquaria.com and saw a few of the smaller (like 3-4" full grown) plecos and figured they would a good option as a replacement, bottom dwelling center piece. Two stood out to me, the zebra pleco and the rio-negro pleco. Both seem to be unique and have a bit more color to them than other plecos. Has anybody had any experience with these two? Or have any suggestions for any other small plecos along those lines that might not have been mentioned on liveaquaria? Thanks as always y'all
 

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I had originally planned on getting a Raphael catfish for my 29g blackwater community because I was going to upgrade the tank in the spring. However with the way my car is going tax returns may need to go towards a different vehicle, so I may not be able to get a tank suitable for a larger and still growing Raphael. I was on liveaquaria.com and saw a few of the smaller (like 3-4" full grown) plecos and figured they would a good option as a replacement, bottom dwelling center piece. Two stood out to me, the zebra pleco and the rio-negro pleco. Both seem to be unique and have a bit more color to them than other plecos. Has anybody had any experience with these two? Or have any suggestions for any other small plecos along those lines that might not have been mentioned on liveaquaria? Thanks as always y'all
I know you have a blackwater, but can you tell me your parameters? There are a wealth of small plecos that you could have, although don't always plan on them being a centerpiece as some will hide just like the raphael.

I'll look up the Rio-Negro pleco for you since I can't recall care off the top of my head. As for the zebra pleco, well they do their absolute best in super high current and high temps. One other thing...it'd probably be cheaper to upgrade your tank than to get a zebra pleco.
 

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Oh wow. Yeah I just saw some prices on that zebra pleco. Never mind on that one. Haha. My ammonia and nitrites are both 0 and nitrates hold steady between 5 and 10 ppm. The tank stays between between 78 and 78.6 degrees. The pH hovers just shy of 7, like 6.8 or 6.9. My tap water is right at 7.0-7.1 but its come down a little bit with the tannins and driftwood
 

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Here's info for the Rio Negro Pleco. This seems to be the species listed at LiveAquaria.
Peckoltia braueri • Loricariidae • Cat-eLog

I've never ordered from LiveAquaria so I really can't speak to how good or bad they might be. Shipping fish though in general can get expensive. Just something to keep in mind if you want a fish from the West Coast.

The one pleco I'd really love to have for my blackwater is L183. I've seen them various places online, but just haven't gotten them yet.

I've also had red lizard whiptails. Not really centerpiece fish, but I loved them and would like more someday.

Those aren't all your choices, just the ones I like best ;)
 

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Those are good suggestions that I'll look in to. That red whiptail is pretty. But so is that starlight one. My local petland is very much on the up and up when it comes to their fish. They all seem very healthy and have never seen dead ones in their tanks. Anyway I met the guy who does their ordering and he said he would be willing to order me just about any fish I can think of and have it brought in with their usual shipments. I figured I'd do my research and then go to him with a list of candidates and see what he can and can't order for me. That should eliminate expensive shipping charges.

My main concern is that all of these plecos seem to prefer a current, but how much is enough? I have current from my filter and I can see it goes deep to the bottom of the tank when the flake food sinks and gets caught in it. Its not super strong, but it will push the flakes from one side of the tank to the other (length wise). I would call it a gentle to just above a gentle flow. I wonder if that would be enough current to keep them happy?
 

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Did you have any others specifically in mind that you were wondering about? Most Ancistrus and Hemiloricaria/Rineloricaria will be fine in your setup. Hypancistrus species on the other hand are usually river dwellers that need a degree of oxygen, that why the current.
 

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All the genuses I mentioned will eat some algae. Maybe not a ton, but they'll eat it. They're omnivores so since you have cories planned they will eat all the same foods. The medusa bristlenose is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that is more carnivorous than omnivorous. You wouldn't keep them anyway as they prefer rocks to wood and like some flow.
 

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Reading with intrest as am on the hunt my self for a nice pleco to hang around my tank, our local pet shop had zebras in last week £110 each thats $200 i think pritty expencive, this week theres little golden nuggets at a frction of the price per pair, like the look of these small plecos , but on threads like these you allways hear of something new and atractive, and in your case expencive.
 

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Yeah I keep looking at the picture, then into and behavior, then price. And then I'm disappointed. Haha. My local guy said he can probably get me one of the Rio negro plecos. I'm just worried about if I have enough current. I could always give it a shot and try to add some current if I need to. I just wish there were less options. I want them all. Haha
 

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Barry gibb-Here's a profile for gold nuggets. Holy crap man you really have a 579 gallon tank?!?

mn011890-Been trying to read up on the Rio Grande since I've never kept them. Sounds like they enjoy lots of current and can be a little aggressive with other bottom dwellers if there is a lack of space/hiding places. If you have the same filter as in your first post then you're just shy of 7X turnover an hour. I don't know if that's enough, but you're not exactly at low flow either. Just depends how much you want to stick with blackwater fish.
 

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Oh OK. Thanks for checking it out! I might be leaning towards that starlight bristlenose then. L183 I think you said it was. Its just a very pretty, somewhat elegant fish
 

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Starlight bristlenose, yep. Sometimes called the white seam pleco too. Here's a bit more info on them and how to tell it apart from related species. The White Seam Bristlenoses • Catfishology • Shane's World • PlanetCatfish The only one I've ever seen for sale is L183, but it never hurts to make sure the species being sold is really what it's supposed to be.

Marbellohsdad mentioned common bristlenoses and those would work well too. They'll be captive bred so not as delicate as newly imported starlights might be. Wide range of colors for you to check out. Lemon drop, green dragon, super red, calico, albino, regular, albino blue eyed. Many of them come with either long or short fins. Just to make your list of options longer ;)
 

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Do they really? Maaan. Like I need more options. Haha. I already am having a hard time deciding. I'll look into some of those different common plecos too. I don't even know where to begin now:shock:
 

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Sorry I should have just said bristlenose, instead of common bristlenose. You definitely don't want a common pleco in a 29 gallon. Clarifying now just in case I confused you.
 

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Haha you know the bother a 597ltr gets me into farless gallon? Am sure it automaticly put gallon, edited something back to ltrs but your still seeing gallon so looks like yous will need need to drop me of a bigger tank to kerp me right.
Cheers for the link bwg i think am going for them this week along with some rarer apistogrammas, money money money

I used to have a common pleco (blubblub) as the wee yin called him he grew very slowly from 2" to 8" took him three years a year in a half of his life was spent in the big tank what he bulldozed regul, up turning plants and caves he even knocked heaters of the glass forced a swordtail up and out the water because the sw tail was simple on his grazen patch, he was a nutter, when i finsl got a shop to rehome him the fella said my tank was too big for him so he ran amock. He went on to say these fish do better in the more smaller biotope style tanks with minimum plants, and less fast moven fish. I think i heard it all that day, to big and open space a aqarium for a pleco. What do you think BWG aload of crap advice from my local store or just a crazy common

Av all ways said if a get a pleco again it would need to be a tad rare,
 

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Yeah I'm clear on it. I had meant to type common bristlenose rather than common pleco. Sometimes these fish names all run together and get jumbled in my head. Haha
 
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