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You have both ;)

At this point in time, unless you specifically order a purebred fish from a very reputable breeder such as Jeff Rapps, you're going to have a mix of the two species. I highly doubt there is a pure Midas or RD left in local stores.
 

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I've looked at some of the Rapps prices. Whoa they certainly stump up over here in the UK.

herna236 what happened to the Texas and JD's in that 10 gallon tank?
 

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still got em just in this tank... but actually going to give them to my cousin to put in his 75 gal tank...
 

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I've seen this topic many many times before and would have agreed with SinisterKisses' post about two-three years ago but since then many people have been breeding from rapps like stock including me.

Your fish MAY not be pure but it shows all the signs of being a devil and has no midas traits. Nice fish.
 

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There isn't enough breeding of pure fish in the hobby at this point to change the fact that about 90 percent of store-bought fish, if not more, are a mix of the two ;)
 

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Not much as juveniles. They're easier to differentiate between when they're adults, but typically a pure RD has bigger lips and a more elongated, pointed face and body, whereas a Midas will be much stockier and beefy-looking ;)
 

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well thanks... do you know anything about their growth rate or when a midas or rd would get a hump on his head, I dont know how old me fish is but he about 6, 6.5 inches from head to tail. thanks a lot for the help
 

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There is also a strain of red devils that have very thin lips. Also the eyes show differences as well.

I got my rapps midas pair at 6-7" male and 4" female and both had little humps. From their spawns the most impressive specimens got humps at about 3"
 

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Given proper tank size, good water condition and feeding, midas/rd's grow quite quickly until they hit about the size that yours currently is, then they slow down a fair amount. What size is the tank yours is in?

As for the nuchal hump, no one will really be able to answer that for you. Hump development depends on a handful or two of factors, everything from feeding and water conditions to dominance and tankmates - but mostly, it depends on the individual fish. Not every fish will develop a large nuchal hump, many (males and females) have not much of one at all. You really just have to let your fish develop and wait to see. Generally speaking, again depending on the fish, you can start to notice hump development anywhere from the 3" to 7" range.
 

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tanks a 55... another quick question anyone know what my ph should be? and water temp? thanks a lot for your patients i know im a noob
 

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herna236 said:
tanks a 55... another quick question anyone know what my ph should be? and water temp? thanks a lot for your patients i know im a noob
I don't think you need to bother with your pH if your fish is happy with it. 7 is neutral. As for water temperature, I'd recommend staying at 25-27 degrees Celsius.
 

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Yeah, I wouldn't worry about messing with the pH or hardness of your water. The fish is likely used to it already, and you'd likely do more damage than good if you starting adjusting it. If he's happy, no need to fuss with it :) I keep my tanks at about 79 degrees F. Dunno what that is in Celsius ;)
 
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