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It currently holds one very friendly gold gourami (don't know what kind, about 3 inches), 2 harlequin rasboras and 3 checker barbs. The tank has been up and running for a good 2 years. I was thinking of either loaches or more barbs. Any recommendations?
 

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No, no snail problem, just looking for bottom feeder. Saw some beautiful botia(?) loaches, but the guy at the lfs said they would get aggressive.
 

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No, no snail problem, just looking for bottom feeder. Saw some beautiful botia(?) loaches, but the guy at the lfs said they would get aggressive.
Can you get a picture of them?:) If they are Botia modesta, avoid them. They do get very aggressive. Pls be careful with the botias you buy. Some are dyed.
 

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I do not have a photo, but they were brown, with tan spots/stripes. Very pretty. LFS guy recommended going with a small clown loach and just bringing it back when it gets to large. I wanted something they would stay somewhat small. Also, I have pebble sized gravel and wonder if that is okay for loaches.
 

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I do not have a photo, but they were brown, with tan spots/stripes. Very pretty. LFS guy recommended going with a small clown loach and just bringing it back when it gets to large. I wanted something they would stay somewhat small. Also, I have pebble sized gravel and wonder if that is okay for loaches.
I disagree with his recommendations. The fish you buy is now under your responsibility. I wouldn't just go with this method. Buy a small fish, then return when it gets large.:shake:
 

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OK, for a 20 gallon, with that stocking, you could go with:
1) 5 or 6 Botia sidthimunki - This will set you back over $100
2) 3 Botia striata - I have 8. They're every bit as engaging as clowns, but they stay small - 4 to 4.5". You never will have a snail problem either. They're relatively inexpensive.

I would not recommend any other loaches in this tank. All of the peaceful loaches like to be in a group. 3 minium, 5 or more is better. Kuhlis are wonderful, but you'll never see them unless you have six or more, they tend to die for no apparent reason (they're like ottos that way), and they really like sand. Botia kubotai tops out at 5", B. almorhae at 6". You really don't have room for 3 of either of these. B. morletti is a king-hell fin nipper - best in a species tank, next best in a tank with other semi-aggressive loaches.

And, fo the record, I am aware that the Genus Botia has been changed/split out. I know tht icthyologists need job security too, but they should find it with deep water lanternfish and leave my loaches alone. :p

That's my $0.02. Try not to spend it all in one place. ;-)
 

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I think the loaches they had were the Botia sidthimunki and the Botia kubotai. Very pretty, but they were maybe $20. And I was thinking they probably like company.

I will keep an eye out for the the striata. Thanks for the recommendations!
 

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I think the loaches they had were the Botia sidthimunki and the Botia kubotai. Very pretty, but they were maybe $20. And I was thinking they probably like company.

I will keep an eye out for the the striata. Thanks for the recommendations!
I like the kubotais.:love: Expensive though.:sob:
 

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I saw B. kubotai at Petsmart today for 20 bucks a pop. Inch and a half long. Hope they last the week. I have it on good authority that I'll have an gift certificate to spend there next week.
 

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You could also go with botia lochata...those are sweet loaches. (they're all sweet)
Eddie, I just wanted to clear something up for you before it goes unnoticed. There IS actually a problem with people growing up fish and then giving them to LFS's and such. Many LFS's are refusing them, and that number is increasing by the day. The large fish you see on one visit and not another... many of them die. This isn't something the LFS advertises, and some LFS's will actually put them down after hours, because they can't afford to take care of them and they tend to take a long time to find proper homes for. Most people want baby fish they can raise, and with this in mind.. where does that leave all those baby fish when they grow up?

The LFS I spent 8 yrs working at used to offer to humanely euthenize the string of pacu that came in, because we had nowhere to put them and people were bringing in 2 - 3 each wk. The store stopped selling them years ago because they got more back than they could handle.
Blue was on the right track with what he said... if you buy it, you should expect to take care of it long term. Call a zoo sometime and ask them if they can take your large fish from you... unless you can make arrangements when the fish is small, to have somewhere to go with it when it gets too large (knowing for sure they'll take it), there is no reason to think someone else wants it at that size. Public aquariums, zoos, and pet stores are all over run with "large fish" and "large reptiles" that people raised as pets and decided to get rid of when they got large. This same problem is found with pythons, iguanas, caimen, and tortoises. It's not fair to the animal, and it's not worth the frustration you may find when the animal is too big and you have nowhere to go with it, and end up watching it die.
 

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hi
i hope you don't mind me jumping in here
i have a small silly question.
Would the different ones get on,
so you could have a mixed group ?
thanks.
 

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Lainey said:
hi
i hope you don't mind me jumping in here
i have a small silly question.
Would the different ones get on,
so you could have a mixed group ?
thanks.
Hi Lainey.:wave:

They should get along.:) Any loaches with the same shape will get along. There are those that look like eels like the kuhlis that don't get together with other loaches like the yoyos.
 

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thanks Blue.
it was an idea i had for the future,
can't do it at the moment as my tank is too small :(
:thankyou:
 

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Eddie, that's cool. I wish more places could do that, but unfortunately, your situation is not so easy to come by. I just felt the need to point out that making arrangements BEFORE buying is important. Our store got a lot of people dropping off fish (and not always nicely) because they "assumed" we would take them. We had 2000 gallon ponds, a 300 gallon tide pool, and many 175 and 92 display tanks set up. While we were able to take some animals, and even to sell a few... the sting ray they have right now has been there for over 3 yrs now, and the red tailed cat is suffering because there is nowhere to go with it now that it has grown to almost 2 ft in a 92 gallon corner bow. They do what they can to keep it healthy, but it's likely going to die before they can resell it. It has been for sale of almost 2 yrs. and priced mostly according to it's eating habits so the store doesn't take a loss on something they took in as an orphan. Either way, someone's gonna lose that battle. When I first read through this thread, I got the feel that dropping animals off without prior arrangements was being suggested and/or encouraged. I know from other forums and from shocked customers of years past, many people have no idea what happens to these animals. Our store had 3 leopard shark pups in our tide pool. They were with us for almost 3 yrs before they all died. People insisted on throwing coins into the saltwater, which poisoned everything in it, the sharks were first to go. We had posted signs not to throw coins, explaining that it was toxic to the animals, but they did it anyway. One afternoon about a year later a man and his kids were looking down into the pool, discussing the animals in there. The little boy wanted to know where the sharks were, and rather than ask, the dad told him they'd probably found a new home. After hearing that, I came around the corner and politely informed them of what REALLY happened. One of the other kids had been about to toss in a penny when I started talking. (was a smug little thing when I'd asked him not to) As I talked his arm went down to his side, and by the time I was finished, he was turning that penny in his fingers like it was on fire. Telling these things to people helps them, they should know. I believe that's the only way to ever see an end to the enormous number of fish that are unwanted and orphaned every day. Our store used to take oscars... until we were getting 5+ in a week. The average oscar over 5 inches around here stays in the store about 2 - 4 months. The average 3 inch oscar stays in the store about 2 - 4 days. Price difference & profit: A 5 inch oscar eats how much food in a 3 month period, which the store is paying for. A 3 inch oscar is eating how much during 3 days? If you average it out, you're not paying for much more than care of the animal while it was there, or the store is taking some kind of loss. There are a few stores around the country who are set up for this sort of thing, but even those prefer if you ask first. How much space would 1 place need to provide for three 8 inch oscars each week? Even if they were only there a week or 2, they start to add up. If you ask, I'm sure even these stores will tell stories of having to turn someone away.
But, point made... if you ask first, make arrangements for someone who will take the animals later, then there's nothing wrong with raising babies to give or trade to someone else.
 

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crazie.eddie said:
Pebble size gravel is fine. Most loaches prefer sandy susbtrate, but I had regular gravel with my clown loaches. The funny thing is, I would often see them removing pebbles with their mouths and making a small pile. It seemed as though they were having a contest to see which loach can make the biggest pile.
cuuuuuute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :crazy: :bluelaugh: :tongue:
 
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