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I have fed a lot of different live food and I was wondering what everyone else uses.

I have tried: fruit flies, meal worm larva, grindal worms, micro worms, vinegar eels, nightcrawlers, whiteworms, mosquito larva, springtails, aphids, brine shrimp, pinhead crickets, mites, and anything else that would grow in my cultures.

What other live foods have you used?
 

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The live foods will depend on what kind of fish you're keeping... The same live foods are not always good for all types of fish.
What kind of fish are we talking about?
 

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I tried redworms before, but my loaches got scared of them.

I use mealworms, which my African Butterfly ate.

I use live crickets, but I think they were too big, so my African Butterfly ignored them. I later found them in my basement.

I used to hatch BBS (Baby Brine Shrimp) for my fish and also guppy fry.

I used to feed brine shrimp for my fish.

I use to breed guppies and used the fry to feed my archer, puffer, and Mono Sabae.

I gave up giving live foods, becuase I like to give a variety and most of them would die, since I didn't feed them often. Plus I was concerned about the fish from picking up some kind of parasite/bacteria from them, especially when using worms.
 

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fish_4_all said:
....What other live foods have you used?
I feed red wiggler worms.

Please refer to:
http://www.wormwoman.com/acatalog/index.html

If the worms are raised per the literature most are too large except for my large angels and platties.

I have also seen my cories eating them at night and I believe that this is one reason that my sterbai have such bright colors.

Although I have never observed my Gold Nuggets and Queen plecs eating them I believe that they do also.

I am now experimenting with "overcrowding" in one of my worm bins and the worms appear to be getting significantly more numerous but are still multiplying at the same rate.

My guppies can eat these "smaller" worms which result from the overcrowding.

This sounds very "yucky" but I also put 1/2 cup or a cup of worms in the blender and barely chop.

I put the chopped worms in a larger cup and add Tetramin flakes to form a stiff paste.

When I place this paste in the tank a feeding frenzy occurs which is greater than that which is caused by any of my other foods (including brine shrimp and beef heart recipe).


fish_4_all said:
I have tried: ... grindal worms, micro worms ...
Of these two which would you recommend as the easiest to culture for a novice, the least odiferous and the most beneficial for a community tank
(guppies, platties, angels, yoyos, SAE's, neon and glowlight tetras, etc.)?

TR

BTW the vericompost which is a byproduct of the red wiggler worm production is very, very good for potted plants.
 

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Anything i find alive around my house or yard gets fed to my Oscars (when i kept them). Believe it or not, lizards were taken regularly & much appreciated. Yep, common garden lizards (skinks) or gecko's.
You know Oscars though, anything that lands in the water dosen't last more than a few seconds including big cockroaches, christmas beatles (no, they're not too hard) & any insects you can find loitering around the fluro lights.
Large goldfish are fun too !! (if your a masochist).
I don't beleive feeding live food is cruel. These small reptiles & insects regularly fall into the water & end up being part of the menu in nature. Oscars seem to be able to eat anything with no worries, however i would not try any 'natural' foods with my current stock. IMO, adding live or 'natural' foods is possibly the easiest way of introducing 'undesirables' to your system.
 

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i recently have tried frozen brine shrimp...but has anyone else had a problem gettting their fish to eat these? i have 4 angels in one tank, and they dont care for them, and a gourami, platy and guppy in another and neither do they care for them....oh well...

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I've never really had a problem with fish not liking food, apart from when I first bought my Rams, they wouldn't eat flake for a week or two, but they will now...? :D
 

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No specific fish type, just in general. And as far as "wild" live food, I have only used moussies, (mosquito larva) and then only from a clean source that I set up myself specifically to get them. I raised all of the insects and live food I mentioned without much of a problem. Crickets were a little dirty until I figured out to use corn cob litter in the bottom and then they were very clean and easy to culture. The mealworms were one of the easiest as you just let them do their thing and you will have thousands in about a month or so. Vinegar eels are even easier because you just ignore them and take out some once in a while so they don't become overcrowded.

Haven't tried to raise red wigglers yet but I think they will be next endeavor because they eat so much of the kitchen waste and make a good fertilizer byproduct. I also fish so they would be good for that too :wink:

I have fed all of these to swords, guppies, cories, BN, neons, common pleco, and loaches. I have had with great success and very little lack of interest.

Oh and when I had my betta, his favorite food was white worms and the larger the better.
 

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crazie.eddie said:
I use mealworms, which my African Butterfly ate.
That's what my arowana eats now.:mrgreen: Aside from other foods laid down for it.:wink2:
I use to breed guppies and used the fry to feed my archer, puffer, and Mono Sabae.
I did feed the fry sometimes for my angelfish, rams and tetras but the adults are given to the aro.

Live foods do pose a risk as Eddie previously mentioned. Used to feed live tubifex worms but quitted on it after I became a keeper of rams. I wouldn't risk my rams to diseases.:blueshake: :frustrated:

I used mostly frozen stuff as they would be safer than the live ones.
 

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fish_4_all said:
... The mealworms were one of the easiest as you just let them do their thing and you will have thousands in about a month or so. Vinegar eels are even easier because you just ignore them and take out some once in a while so they don't become overcrowded.
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I have googled for both and it appears that the mealworms are too large for what I need (ie. the small red wigglers are smaller than the mealworms) and the vinegar eels are much to small for my community aquarium.

Is my interpretation of the Internet information correct and if so which would be better, easier and least odiferous of grindal worms or micro worms?

TR
 

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The meaelworms were harvested as very small larva, less than 1/2 inch long. Very readily accepted and eaten by even 3 week old swords. It is really easy to do if you want to try it. There is also a confused flour bettle and red flour beetle larva that is very small but I have not personally used them. Just watch out that they don't escape because they wil eat your grains and flour goods.

As far as microworms and grindal womrs, the grindals are easier to raise and I have never had an odor from the cultures. There is a trick to harvesting them but it isn't very hard. The microworms produce massive numbers and if kept properly they do not smell at all. I used Gerberr baby cereal to raise mine. They do however require you to maintain new cultures every 3 weeks or so as the old one will go bad over time. Grindal worms do need to be started again over time but we are talking about 6 months to a year instead of every 3 weeks.

I would suggest both of them especially if you want to feed fry as the microworms are much smaller and easier to have large amounts for medium or larger sized broods. Vinegar eels are even easier and very easy to harvest and feed a lot of fry if you have 3-5 cultures going. If someone wants the information I will be glad to post it on rearing all of them I have dealt with. It will take me a little time to compile the information but I would be glad to do so. I would also like to hear about the culturing of redworms as I have found some stuff but first hand experience from here would be very nice. I don't have room for a very large culture either.

Just a word of warning, when microworm cultures go bad, they go very bad and stink like rotten cabbage. Not a good ides to let them to sit around too long. I do think they are very good food and very easy to culture dispite of this.
 

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fish_4_all said:
The meaelworms were harvested as very small larva, less than 1/2 inch long. Very readily accepted and eaten by even 3 week old swords. It is really easy to do if you want to try it.

There is also a confused flour bettle and red flour beetle larva that is very small but I have not personally used them.
One:
I very much appreciate the time you spent in preparing your post and I am obviously saving this thread.

Two:
These are the "mealworms" which I reviewed on the Internet.


Three:
Do you have a link to a site where I can purchase and learn about culturing the mealworms which you are referring to.

Thanks Very Much
Ron Jones
 

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girlofgod said:
i recently have tried frozen brine shrimp...but has anyone else had a problem gettting their fish to eat these? i have 4 angels in one tank, and they dont care for them, and a gourami, platy and guppy in another and neither do they care for them....oh well...

bri
All my fish love frozen brine shrimp :)
 

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Folks:

I am resurrecting this thread because I am looking for more variety in live fish food.

F4A has a ton of experience.

My red wigglers are still being consumed by my "fishies" but even when "overcrowded" in the worm bin they are "still really too large" for most of my fish.

Does anyone have any suggestions on live food for a community aquarium?

TR
 

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brine shrimp
red wigglers (trout worms)
night crawlers (the biggest I can buy)
guppies
ghost shrimp (gut load before feeding to fish)
black worms
snails (both freshwater and salt) I grow my own ramshorns in a seperate tank and buy nassarius sanils online by the thousands.
 

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Jones after clicking on your link I almost fell over. My grandfather had grown up through the depression. Let's say he was frugal. He never owned a trashcan as long as I knew him. Everything was taken to the recyclers for money or kept in the garage. All organic wastes were put into his pear tree set up. This was a 3 foot deep 10'x10' wood structure surrounding his pear tree. Every day any and all organics was put into this box. You could look down and see millions of redworms crawling around. The box must have had at least 2' thick worth of redwroms in it........

Not to hijack, sorry.
 

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White worms, grindal worms, confused flour beetle larva, flightless fruit flies, there is a worm the size of grindal worms but I forget the name, mosquito larva, Microworms (they may seem small but all of swords love to chase them and eat their fill. There are also many species of aquatic earthworms which can also be raised.

There is a species of redworms that stays smaller, will see if I can find them again.

Just to update also, Livefoodcultures no longer sells from their site, anything they have is available on aquabid.

Hey mike, where are the links to your supplers? I have looked and looked and con't find snails in bulk. I can eve use them for fishing but at $4 for 12 it isn't price effective.

Great redworm story BTW,
 
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