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Well, I am almost positive I am setting my 75 up as a goldfish tank at this point. I am taking another break from scraping silicone out of it and decided to get on CL and see what is new in the pet section. Well, there was a fish. This isn't common on my town's CL so I clicked the link to investigate. It is a small Ryukin with such bad fin rot, I fear for it's life. Of course I messaged the owner and agreed to pay the $10 for this fish and $5 a week thereafter while my tank is set up and cycled, completely taking over the responsibility of cleaning its 10 gallon tank. I must be crazy to go over to a strangers house and care for their fish let alone pay this much for a fish that may or may not live. I will be attempting a 2 week cycle on my 10 gallon starting most likely today so, since the fish is already in a 10 gallon, I may be able to bring it home and put it in mine if this cycle works.

This fish has almost no tail whatsoever. The rest of its fins are fine, however, which I find a bit odd. It probably has about 1/4th of the amount of tail it should have. The main rays are still in tact but they look severely burned. This is not something I would normally suggest, but, I have some surgical grade blades.. Is it possible that removing the tail completely will keep this fish alive?

If it comes down to removal, what should I use to prevent secondary infections from the open wound? I don't have any photos, I cracked the back of my phone and I don't own a camera so I can't help much there. I did a 95% WC with Prime while I was at the guys house because the tank was so nasty and cloudy you could hardly see the fish.

Due to the fact that this fish is still swimming and begging for food, I would prefer not to cull it. I think this little guy can pull through! At this rate, he may be the ONLY fish going in the 75! Wouldn't he like that!

Advice is greatly appreciated.
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I am filling this out to the best of my ability. As stated, this fish was not in my care until today.

1. Size of tank? 10 Gallons

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia? Unsure, should be 0.
b. Nitrite? Unsure, should be 0.
c. Nitrate? Unsure, should be 0.
d. pH, KH and GH? Unsure
e. Test kit? API Master

3. Temperature? Unsure, should be around 75.

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)? Freshwater.

5. How long the aquarium has been set up? Three months according to the owner.

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them? 1 small goldfish. 3 months.

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)? No.

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants? No.
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom? Gravel.
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors? No.

9. a. Filtration? None.
b. Heater? No.

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used? None.
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long? Yes, almost all day.

11. a. Water change schedule? Non-existent until today.
b. Volume of water changed? 95%
c. Well water, tap water, RO water? Tap.
d. Water conditioner used? Seachem Prime.
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed? Today.

12. Foods? A soda cap full of flakes.
How often are they fed? Twice a week.

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms? No tail.
b. Appearance of poop? Unknown.
c. Appearance of gills? Red.

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? No.
b. What meds were used? None.

15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary. Unable for the time being.
 

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ok well you're frightening me to begin with..you're going over
to a strangers house :shock:
why are you not just collecting it ??
sounds like ammonia burn too,the poor thing.
 

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ok well you're frightening me to begin with..you're going over
to a strangers house :shock:
why are you not just collecting it ??
sounds like ammonia burn too,the poor thing.
I bring a big male friend with me, don't worry!

I can't bring it home because my 10 gallon has three mollies in it and is cycling with TSS (just started today) and cannot be disturbed for two weeks. My 75 is being resealed, my 2.5 gallon has a betta and live plants and the only other tank I have is a 1 gallon bowl, no heater or filter. His current tank is not filtered or heated and will be getting 80% changes daily, do you think this is an option? I am not worried about WCs, I will do whatever is necessary for him. 100% daily on a 1 gallon isn't an issue. I could even do 150% a day if need be. The tank wouldn't go below 65F unheated.

I cannot find any information regarding amputation. I honestly don't think he will make it if he keeps his tail with how progressed the tail rot is. I need some major advice. Are there any MEGA strength medications I could try? What would I need as an antibiotic if I did have to remove it? Or is clean water better in this case?

Saving fish is so stressful.
 

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Well first off, as you most likely know, the aquarium isn't large enough for a goldfish. Secondly,almost everyone is under the misconception that goldfish make good beginner fish they do not.
And the third point is why, Why take on a project like this?

R
As I stated before, if the little guy makes it through, he may be the only inhabitant of the 75 gallon I am resealing.

I am aware that this is why they have this fish. The tank is out in the garage (where it has been since it "got dirty" after about a month of them having it.)

I don't get to leave the house much due to ailments and I like to do what I can to help. I'd rather do what I can and have the fish die than it die of ammonia poisoning or worse. He has a fighting chance with me.
 

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As for MEGA meds in goldfish, Baytril injectable (Enrofloxacin)
By the way I'll help all I can

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Does this require a vet to obtain?

Should I bring him home and keep him in the bowl I have while my 10 gallon cycles or should I leave him there for the two weeks and just go over and do water changes?
 

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If it was me I would use a large plastic tub to QT, if you have filter and heater
Do very large daily water changes, if s/he is going to have a chance he'll need perfect water conditions, I never add salt but in this case I would probably do a .03% solution(1 Tablespoon per 10 gallons) Enrofloxacin can be found but it's hard best place is from the Petsmart vet. There are other more ez-er to get antibiotics Maracyn and Maracyn II, Kanacyn, Acriflavine.

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I could put her in a large plastic tote I have but I cannot put a filter on it and the only other heater I have is 300watts. Will that
Work?
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It's not clear, though. Is that okay? Probably around 25 gallons. The heater is probably going to make it too warm for her. I'll fill it and see what it does overnight without a heater and my thermometer in it.
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It's fine, The heater will shut off at a preset point (temperature) regardless if it's a 100 watts or 300 watts heater, the only time wattage come in to play is with the difference between ambient room temperature and aquarium temperature. It take's more wattage to rise a tank by say 40*F than to rise one 10*F but in either case XX*F would be the shut off point.
I hope I didn't make that to confusing.

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These small tanks are ONLY temporary. He will be going in my 75 gallon should he pull through. It'll be set up in two-three weeks then it just has to cycle. He should be doing better at that point and not risk contaminating my 75. Maybe someday he can have goldfish friends but for now, he's alone.
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I think its really great that you're saving this fish. I love fish as much as anybody, and love to hear about people like you wh go above and beyond to help fish. Thank you.
Rickey knows EVERTHING about goldfish, you're in the best hands possible! Have you seen his fish houses? Yeah, that's houses, with an "s". He has more than one fish house. Check out his pics and videos ,they are really cool!
 

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we're all rooting for goldie :-D
 

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I managed to get my 20 gallon (I need to measure, maybe 29) in the stand of the 75 so my hubby won't freak out that there's another "huge" tank in the kitchen. I'll leave the doors on the stand open for light for him or her. I figure the poor thing will like muted light better right now anyways. I'm going to run the filter with no sponge, just carbon because not only did I throw it in the 10 gallon for seed media for the 75 but the tank won't cycle with large daily WCs anyways.

I also have the heater in there but I have a question; why am I heating a Goldie tank? I've kept them before and never heated. My kitchen stays warmish (room temp water is 73F) because the heater in my 10 gallon is finicky.
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