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hi everyone! i just wanna say i am so glad to be part of this exciting forum. i can't wait to read all your aquarium experiences. i wish to exchange / share ideas with each and everyone in this room especially that i am just a newbie in this hobby. i have 4 platys in my 10 gal aquarium. 2 boys and two girls. not sure if my one platy is pregnant and not sure still if what type of platy is the other one co'z it's a bit long with wide tale. and i had them for two weeks already. i had my "not sure pregnant platy in a net bec. the two male platys stress her by following and always chasing her while they've been ignoring the other "un-identified platy bec. she seemed different from them. what shall i do?
 

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I'm a newbie too. Welcome to the site. I have a 20 gal with 3 platys, 2 mollys, & 1 guppy. If you haven't already, I use the maintenance log in my Aquarium Log to track water changes and water checks. It's great help for a beginner like me.
 

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Hi neverhad24! Welcome to the Forum. We're glad you joined us.

Well there's a few issues that you may encounter.. in fact you are seeing some of it already. The problem with Livebearers is that the Males harass the females incessantly. We generally recommend a "harem" for some species, so 1 Male to 2 or 3 females. IF your other fish is not of their species then you have a 2 male to 1 female ratio. This in itself can cause exhaustion and death over time. And in a 10 gallon tank there really isn't anywhere to go to get away. Even with lots of plants or places to hide, all that does is make your fish hide from the rest of the fish. You bought fish cause you want to see them.
The next problem is that guaranteed she is pregnant or will be over and over every 28 days approx. What will you do with the fry? (They often get eaten btw if there is no place to hide. The other problem with 1M/3F is way more fry!! See the problem?
In a tank that small you would be better to just have the girls. Say 3-4 females... if you eventually see babies it is because you purchased them pregnant (they are known to hold sperm for months too).
Is there an option to return the 2 males and get another female? I'm not suggesting all males... maybe Plattys are ok... some species you can't put males together. no more than one in a tank.

The other issue I need to ask as we want you to be successful...and I don't know your knowledge level so forgive me....how old is this tank? Did you "cycle" it? If you set it up and added fish you are fast approaching the danger point of excessive ammonia and nitrItes... it takes up to 6-8 weeks to go thru the Nitogen cycle. Do you have a testing kit? If not, if you see any signs of stress be sure to do water changes using water of the same temp and a de-chlorinator product. You may need to do them daily for a couple of weeks to get thru.

And having said all that.... a 10 gallon is really small. Keep your eyes open for a 20 Long or 30gallon. You would be amazed what friends and relatives pass on to you once they know you like fish. :lol: Didn't anyone tell you that tanks multiply too, not just fish!!
 
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Hi Jakiebabie,

First of all I would like to say thank you for supporting me. As a matter of fact I had this aquarium for over a month now. It was a gift from my boyfriend. I'm gonna tell you the entire story but please bear with me as I myself felt devastated with my own faults. As I was saying, my boyfriend bought me this 10 gal aquarium last month together with the interior medium filter system, small airpump that comes with the aquarium box, tetramin flakes, tetra dechlorination & conditioner, and an automatic heater. I had no idea with all these stuff so I learned everything from "Mr. Google", from those livebearers who also had experiences they share online. What I did was, I washed all the accessories and pebbles, set up the aquarium and walah! done in an hour. put 10 ml dechlorination and waited for 24 hours till my fish arrives. the following day, my boyfriend brought these cute little fishes, 4 platys to be exact. 2 males and 2 females coz that's what the petshop only allowed him to have. I fed them not knowing excitedly that I can't over feed them. I noticed that they swim shimmily, like they having trouble swimming to the surface. so again, I googled and found out they were constipated. the following day, one female died and I was so sad and even cried. Still, unaware my few days later, exactly 8 days. After I cleaned "the entire aquarium", I did and entire water change, transfered all my fish in a basin, scraped all the slime in my decors (aawww..! forgive me with this one as I'm not really aware what I was doing) My boyfriend brought me another "6" of the platys. So, there were 9 in total. There were al excited and running around and playing. I was so happy seeing them enjoying and I didn't have any idea that one of them was pregnant and on the day the platys arrived, she was giving birth I wonder why I kept on seeing a fry. when I thought it was just only one that I'm seeing. so after a week, I did all the same thing with my aquarium (coz I'm stupid...). after I had my aquarium cleaned. I put dechlorination in it, and this time I'm not quite sure if I put the right amount which is 10ml. again, my platys were happy (I thought) coz there water was cleaned until the next day. I was wondering why few of them have there fins turning into white, like ash covered. I was worried, But I thought it was just natural. I smelled the water and it doesn't smell dry, instead it smelled fishy. As i checked on the others, they were all on top of the water where my oxygen is placed, I thought they were just playing with the bubbles...(sigh!). I didn't know that they're starting to get poisoned because they eat whenever I feed them. the following day was horrible. my water was foggy, my platys were acting really strange and weak, there's one already dead, most of them already coated with white thingy. some were just staying at the bottom of the aquarium and not moving, one was staying on top of my plastic palm tree ornament (like she doesn't wanna stay at the bottom). and only one was a bit active and her entire body wasn't yet coated with white but just her fins. So, I hurriedly jumped into my laptop and again checked on Mr. google why my platys were like that. I was shocked when I learned that my platys were poisoned. than I remembered only putting 5ml during my water change. and that I wasn't supposed to clean the entire aquarium if not really needed. those, and lots of ideas flowed into my mind, i was educated at some point. So, what I did was I hurriedly transferred my only few remaining fish in a pail with water dechlorified and with oxygen in it. cleaned the entire aquarium and put 10ml dechlorination. After that, I immediately transport my surviving platys from the pail back to the aquarium but unfortunately, only two females made it, but from that two the other one died at 12MN as I kept on monitoring their conditions. I slept in when I saw the other female hid from one of the house's room and stayed there. I thought she was traumatized with what happened so i left her be. the following day i checked on her. she was still in the house not coming out. I tried to give her flakes but still shed wouldn't come out. maybe, she was just trying to recover from the incident. again I let her be. I smelled the water and it smells dry now, unlike before it smells awful and fishy. I checked the water's clearness, it looks good too. The next day, my only one platy came out of the house and looks like she's ready to eat. I gave her few flakes and she did. I was so happy that everything went fine. I waited few days more and checked if she's doing fine. And she's in full recovery although sad because she's alone. I tried to grab another one for her so she wouldn't be sad anymore but the petshop won't let me and even advised me to let the aquarium breath for a week before I grab another. I waited for a week, but noticed that "loney", that's what I called her ever since she was the only one left, was pregnant! but, not sure till yesterday. after a week which was 5 days ago, My boyfriend brought me 3 platys 2 males and one female which not sure what kind of female platy breed this is... Right now they're still doing fine. yesterday, I set up my small breeding box because I noticed that her belly is getting huge and she keeps herself away from the others plus she hides behind the filter. also, she was irritated with the male platys chasing her. I put her in there for a while. I brought another female platy just to divert the males attention. As I woke up this morning, I saw a fry at the bottom of the breeding box, it was so tiny that i barely know if it's alive or dead so I waited... It was a long but exciting wait before loney gave another birth to two fries.. and to my dismay I was shocked that she ATE her fries!!!! huhuhu I felt like crying!!!! my heart was pounding with anger!!!! wwaaahhh!!! my babies!!! i immediately grabbed some leaves from my ornament and put it underneath loney so the next time she give birth she couldn't eat it. And there she give birth to four more and they're not moving... they were at the bottom of the breeding box now and they're like just lying there... not moving at all!!! not sure if should I through them out or what? huhuhu what shall I do? they're still in the breeding box now.. should i leave them there for couple more days? i dunno what to do with them.. I'm frustrated right now....

I dunno if my other female was pregnant, I was trying to attach her picture but it won't let me. Plus, I don't have testing kit still because it's expensive. all I have was thermometer right now. gladly it's in 80 degrees. I'm gonna do a vacuuming later which I also learned from the petshop. huh! good thing I'm learning now...

I hope you can still share your ideas with me on what to do...

Thank you.. hope to hear from you soon!
 

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New Livebearer "Platy" experience

I'm gonna tell you the entire story but please bear with me as I myself felt devastated with my own faults. As I was saying, my boyfriend bought me this 10 gal aquarium last month together with the interior medium filter system, small airpump that comes with the aquarium box, tetramin flakes, tetra dechlorination & conditioner, and an automatic heater. I had no idea with all these stuff so I learned everything from "Mr. Google", from those livebearers who also had experiences they share online. What I did was, I washed all the accessories and pebbles, set up the aquarium and walah! done in an hour. put 10 ml dechlorination and waited for 24 hours till my fish arrives. the following day, my boyfriend brought these cute little fishes, 4 platys to be exact. 2 males and 2 females coz that's what the petshop only allowed him to have. I fed them not knowing excitedly that I can't over feed them. I noticed that they swim shimmily, like they having trouble swimming to the surface. so again, I googled and found out they were constipated. the following day, one female died and I was so sad and even cried. Still, unaware my few days later, exactly 8 days. After I cleaned "the entire aquarium", I did and entire water change, transfered all my fish in a basin, scraped all the slime in my decors (aawww..! forgive me with this one as I'm not really aware what I was doing) My boyfriend brought me another "6" of the platys. So, there were 9 in total. There were al excited and running around and playing. I was so happy seeing them enjoying and I didn't have any idea that one of them was pregnant and on the day the platys arrived, she was giving birth I wonder why I kept on seeing a fry. when I thought it was just only one that I'm seeing. so after a week, I did all the same thing with my aquarium (coz I'm stupid...). after I had my aquarium cleaned. I put dechlorination in it, and this time I'm not quite sure if I put the right amount which is 10ml. again, my platys were happy (I thought) coz there water was cleaned until the next day. I was wondering why few of them have there fins turning into white, like ash covered. I was worried, But I thought it was just natural. I smelled the water and it doesn't smell dry, instead it smelled fishy. As i checked on the others, they were all on top of the water where my oxygen is placed, I thought they were just playing with the bubbles...(sigh!). I didn't know that they're starting to get poisoned because they eat whenever I feed them. the following day was horrible. my water was foggy, my platys were acting really strange and weak, there's one already dead, most of them already coated with white thingy. some were just staying at the bottom of the aquarium and not moving, one was staying on top of my plastic palm tree ornament (like she doesn't wanna stay at the bottom). and only one was a bit active and her entire body wasn't yet coated with white but just her fins. So, I hurriedly jumped into my laptop and again checked on Mr. google why my platys were like that. I was shocked when I learned that my platys were poisoned. than I remembered only putting 5ml during my water change. and that I wasn't supposed to clean the entire aquarium if not really needed. those, and lots of ideas flowed into my mind, i was educated at some point. So, what I did was I hurriedly transferred my only few remaining fish in a pail with water dechlorified and with oxygen in it. cleaned the entire aquarium and put 10ml dechlorination. After that, I immediately transport my surviving platys from the pail back to the aquarium but unfortunately, only two females made it, but from that two the other one died at 12MN as I kept on monitoring their conditions. I slept in when I saw the other female hid from one of the house's room and stayed there. I thought she was traumatized with what happened so i left her be. the following day i checked on her. she was still in the house not coming out. I tried to give her flakes but still shed wouldn't come out. maybe, she was just trying to recover from the incident. again I let her be. I smelled the water and it smells dry now, unlike before it smells awful and fishy. I checked the water's clearness, it looks good too. The next day, my only one platy came out of the house and looks like she's ready to eat. I gave her few flakes and she did. I was so happy that everything went fine. I waited few days more and checked if she's doing fine. And she's in full recovery although sad because she's alone. I tried to grab another one for her so she wouldn't be sad anymore but the petshop won't let me and even advised me to let the aquarium breath for a week before I grab another. I waited for a week, but noticed that "loney", that's what I called her ever since she was the only one left, was pregnant! but, not sure till yesterday. after a week which was 5 days ago, My boyfriend brought me 3 platys 2 males and one female which not sure what kind of female platy breed this is... Right now they're still doing fine. yesterday, I set up my small breeding box because I noticed that her belly is getting huge and she keeps herself away from the others plus she hides behind the filter. also, she was irritated with the male platys chasing her. I put her in there for a while. I brought another female platy just to divert the males attention. As I woke up this morning, I saw a fry at the bottom of the breeding box, it was so tiny that i barely know if it's alive or dead so I waited... It was a long but exciting wait before loney gave another birth to two fries.. and to my dismay I was shocked that she ATE her fries!!!! huhuhu I felt like crying!!!! my heart was pounding with anger!!!! wwaaahhh!!! my babies!!! i immediately grabbed some leaves from my ornament and put it underneath loney so the next time she give birth she couldn't eat it. And there she give birth to four more and they're not moving... they were at the bottom of the breeding box now and they're like just lying there... not moving at all!!! not sure if should I through them out or what? huhuhu what shall I do? they're still in the breeding box now.. should i leave them there for couple more days? i dunno what to do with them.. I'm frustrated right now....

I dunno if my other female was pregnant, I was trying to attach her picture but it won't let me. Plus, I don't have testing kit still because it's expensive. all I have was thermometer right now. gladly it's in 80 degrees. I'm gonna do a vacuuming later which I also learned from the petshop. huh! good thing I'm learning now...

I hope you can still share your ideas with me on what to do...

Thank you.. hope to hear from you soon!

Read more: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/introduce-yourself/introduction-246114/#ixzz2btFYvJn0
 

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For tonight.... don't make any more changes to this tank. It needs to mature and settle. It won't hurt one or 2 fish to be alone for awhile. We'll sort it all out.

First off my first bit of advice is to stop cleaning out the tank. It is sufficiently large enough to go thru the nitrogen cycle which can take 6 to 8 weeks from the last time you scrubbed out that tank. That slimy feel on the sides of the tank is GOOD bacteria... you need that so do not wash it off unless directed to because of a sickness or disease.
Lets chat more in the morning and we can get to the bottom of the issues. When you get to 10 posts you will be able to enter the chat room and talk to other members live. That often helps in times of stress.
Chat soon,
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Hey how are things today? I hope things have settled at bit. I've provided you with our diagnosis form for you to complete for us.
It looks long and horrible, lol but it is an overall review of where you are specifically right now and how you got there. It answers a lot of questions and helps us to guide you forward. Answer as many as you can. And don't worry, many, many members of our forums are youngins and students who have NO budgets for equipment. There are ways to get you thru the difficult parts successfully but it is extra work.

So... here is the link... : (just copy and paste the questions out of post number 1)
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/tropical-fish-diseases/diagnosis-form-read-before-you-post-61135/

Here is a guide to Cycling a Tank. The thing about cycling a tank is NOT to clean it... but to get thru the peaks of the process. You can do this a number of ways... water changes, Prime dechlorinator, lots of live plants... with or without a testing kit.
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/...nners-guide-freshwater-aquarium-cycle-213418/

A number of rules I live by with my fish... just guidelines...
Best item in your medicine cabinet... clean water... when in doubt do a water change.
Ensure same temperature with a thermometer and use dechlorinator. Make sure you either turn off your heater and remember to turn it back on again... Or if it is a submersible that it does not get exposed to the air while hot as it can crack when the cooler water hits it. Make yourself a water change reminder sheet if nec. Water changes can be done by "turkey baister", juice jug, bucket or syphon hose to your tap depending on tank size.
Do things slowly. I am thrilled that the LFS (local fish store) did not sell you more fish yet. They are doing the right thing and often they don't care. Something is amiss and I promise if you stick with this for a couple of months you will get it!

Fry... Yes they do eat their own babies! Yes it can be shocking to watch that. There are ways to be more successful at this too. She will have more when the conditions are right. Right now you do not have a stable tank to raise them. You will get there!!
Just take it slow!! And while you are waiting, read up on our articles in the Reference Area!
 

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I aquired two male bettas from a co-worker with no knowledge of fish keeping. I murdered one by continually cleaning his entire bowl out due to not knowing any better. It's really common to do this when you have no experience.

The other betta I accidentally poured down the kitchen sink into the garbage disposal (in front of my 3yo no less) while attempting to change his water out.

I read a lot when we decided to get a real fish tank and learned how horribly my poor bettas had lived under my care. I set up my tank properly but I'm still struggling to establish my cycles with my fish present. I wish no fish had to die from my poor eff
 

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Dveha.... if the water isn't running (from your tap) other than the water you are pouring down the drain (containing a fish) and you stopped pouring immediately!!... could you not take the trap off under the sink...the sideways "S" under your sink is designed to catch things, usually jewelry, but a fish in this case! Your fish should have been sitting in the trap under the sink (until you turn on the water) which then flushes out the trap to the sewer system. Somewhere in that loop of pipes is your garbage disposal but I assume it is directly under and attached to the base of your sink. Your fish should have passed thru it into the S trap... No?
You take a wrench and loosen both connecting rings at each end of the S over a dish or pan and pour out the contents. Voila lost ring... or pet Betta!!
 

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hi jakiebabie!

To start with, yes. she ate them all and how sad that none of them was left alive. In fairness, the platys were doing great. The mom which just gave birth is active again, swimming around with the others and they get along just fine... here are some of the information you need as I couldn't answer all due to lack of testing kit.

1. Size of tank? 10 gal

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia?
b. Nitrite?
c. Nitrate?
d. pH, KH and GH?
e. Test kit? none

3. Temperature? 80 degrees F

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)? what's brackish? mine's fresh water I think

5. How long the aquarium has been set up? 4 weeks

6. What fish do you have? ( Platys 2 male and 2 female. 1 i dunno what kind as I want to show it to you but I can't seem to attach the picture)
How many are in your tank? Just 1
How big are they? just right for 10 gal
How long have you had them? 4 weeks

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)? no. just 1 platy at some point for 1 day bec. she's giving birth so i had to transfer her to a breeding box.

8. a. Any live plants? NONE.
Fake plants? yes. 3
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom? they're pebbles.
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors? yes i have 3 small rocks in it. 1 castle stone house. 1 ethnic palm tree. 3 plastic plants. and some plastic seashells.

9. a. Filtration? medium interior filtration system
b. Heater? 1 submersible

10. a. Lighting schedule? they are turned on from 4pm to 12 noon the following day. 4 hours off
What lights are used? two small white led lights
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long? NONE

11. a. Water change schedule? every week (thursday)
b. Volume of water changed? 25% 1 big metal basin
c. Well water, tap water, RO water? tap water
d. Water conditioner used? Nutrifin plus
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed? dunno...?

12. Foods? fish flakes (tetramin) but, can i feed them any other kind like veg. carrots or cabbage at some point?
How often are they fed? twice a day lunch and very late dinner 9pm. small amounts like a pinch of my fingers much

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms? none so far. except for the ich that i cured. no major.
b. Appearance of poop? white...sometimes it has cream in color.
c. Appearance of gills? normal.

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? yes. for ich. i just put 5 ml. ich treatment (blue in color) for i don't wanna overdose them. i put aquarium salt just 1 tbls.
b. What meds were used? jungle ick guard.

15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary.
how do i insert pictures?
 

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Jakiebabie,

I'm just curious.. why is my female platy which just gave birth yesterday, slapping other females tale with hers? also she keep on following my unknown not yet sure if pregnant fish wherever she go. also, this unknown fish which happens to be not sure pregnant is less active now and always want to be alone. and she's morose to others fish whenever it comes near her. and the other platys stay by her side like they're waiting for something. especially the platy that just gave birth...
 

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It looks like a lyretail molly to me. I have two, not that color though. I'm not sure if it is pregnant. I went to google images search and typed in lyretail molly and one of the first few has yellow and black markings like that.
 

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oh yeah thanks!

now i know i need to buy male of that kind... i'm just sad though she bullies my platy... especially the girl one it's like she hates her...
 

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Yes Mollies can be a bit of a bully sometimes. And yes adding a male will likely change her attitude. Try tho to get one equal to her size otherwise she will bully him too!
 

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So How is it all going? Have things calmed down a bit? No more deaths recently? I hope things settled down for you.
Who do you have in the tank now? and what species? m/f?
 
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