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Hello....we have a 2.5 gallon tank (my 3yr old son's birthday present from his aunt - we also have a 29G that is cycling now) that we haven't been able to keep anything alive in for long. He started with a fancy Goldfish from his aunt that quickly died. We then got a pair of yellow fancy tail guppies. One lasted about 2 weeks, the other one is very pale and his tail is almost transparent. Tested his tank tonight and 0 Ammonia but 5ppm Nitrite and 0-5 Nitrates. I am thinking I should take it out and put it in the 29G. Would that do any damage or hurt my cycling tank that has 10 Danios? Is there anything I can do to the 2.5 to get it to cycle and stay cycled? It has the smallest whisper filter out there, and there does not appear to be any media for bacteria colonies.....

Trying to salvage teh 2.5 tank as his aunt (wife's sister) would be offended, but if a 2.5 is not a tank that can be worked with, I will get a 10 or 15 instead. Please let me know if it would be ok to move that fish into the 29G....


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musho3210 said:
well i would reccomend you using cultured gravel than using chemicals since cultured gravel has a 99% chance of speeding you up while bacteria has a 50% chance (the percentages are not facts, just my opinion
I have no access to cultured gravel, Could I maybe put some bio-balls in the bottom of the tank to help create the bio filter in this tank? Is it an exercise in futility with a small tank like this?
 

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musho3210 said:
no, it might work but it would be a waste of money, what type of filter do you use?
It's the smallest whisper HOB they make. I really think the best course of action is to get a 10 or 15 and move the fish into that, I will use Bio-spira to cycle it fast so I can get this fish out of this little hellish space.
 

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bettababy said:
2 guppys (males only is suggested) should do fine in a 2.5 gallon tank, it sounds as if you have sick fish, and on top of the tank cycling, they aren't standing much of a chance.

If it were mine, I'd work with the biospira. This is NOT a chemical, it is a natural bacteria culture in large quantity, and it DOES work. Be careful not to overdose the biospira, as this will cause problems. The packages are sold for larger quantity, so you'll have to do the math and measure it out, then shake the conatainer of biospira very very well before pouring out the dose. The excess biospira would help to cycle your 29 gallon, also... so it shouldn't be wasted.

For a short period of time I would to a .5 gallon water change daily, to ensure all waste is removed from the tank right away. With clean water and good food, your fish may show improvement rapidly. It is very possible you are also dealing with a bacteria issue in your fish, in which meds may be needed. Can you post water params for the 2.5 gallon tank? (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH) Temp? Is there a heater in the tank? Fancy guppys will need a heater to do well, especially in a tank of that size. The less water in a container, the rate of fluctuation, and temp changes regularly can stress the fish. How often is the light on? Watch the temp and see if it changes after the light has been out for an hour or 2, and if so, how much of a change?

I wouldn't give up on the 2.5 gallon tank, I have 4 of them here, and they do great. It is possible to do a lot of things with a tank that size, just be aware that because it is smaller, it may end up needing a little more maintenance than a larger tank. Evaporation rates will have more impact on a smaller tank (even 10 gallons have this problem), so you'll want to keep test kits on hand to use whenever needed. Don't get into the habit of just filling the tank with water when it evaporates because this will concentrate waste levels. Always take some water out before fillilng it up, even if it's a few cupfulls. If you work with live plants and weekly water changes, don't overpopulate the tank or overfeed it, you can get it stable enough to "top off" without worry, but I wouldn't attempt this until the tank is cycled properly.

If you can post more information on the smaller tank and a pic of the guppy, it will be much easier to help you safely.
As of last night the Ammonia was at .5 the Nitrites at 1 and the Nitrates at 0. I do not have a heater in there, I will double check the water temp but it's always fairly warm with the light on, at least as warm as my 29G.

What would I put in the tank for the Biospira to colonize on? The filter is a little too small to put any other media in. Should I maybe take the Charcoal media out and just put in some large pore spongy material like is in my Elite hush filter?

I will also do small water changes daily as well and will post pics of the fish tonight. Almost looks like he has some kind of growths on him :(

Forgot this, he swims near the top of the tank all the time. He does eat well though.
 

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Thanks for the reply. I have a fake plant and a rock in the tank now, we had a decoration in there (a goldfish statue) but took it out when I noticed the paint fading and bubbling off of it. I will be running to the store tonight and get some Biospira, and will add a small amount to the 2.5g and the rest in my 29g.

I will post some pics around 9pm CST tonight.
 

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Was not able to get a pic of the guppy tonight, by the time I got home from the LFS it was way past my son's bedtime so we just did the small water change, bio-spora and put in the thermometer. I will post test results tomorrow to see where we are at.
 

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Ok, did another half gallon PWC. 0 Ammonia pre 0 Ammonia Post, 2 Nitrate pre 1 Nitrate post. 0-5 Nitrate pre and post. I added some more Bio-Spora to the tank as well. I took a bunch of pictures, but only these two came out.
It looks like little growths on his face and gills. His fins are are ratty as well.

 

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Blue said:
ttiger72 said:
Sorry Blue 2 Nitrite pre 1 Nitrite post. 0-5 Nitrates pre and post.
That's pretty high.:) I'd do a 10% water change to lower it.:)
That's the problem, I have already done more than a 10% tonight. and every night this week. Started at 5 on Monday. Any ideas on the guppy? Is it just the high Nitrites taking their toll :(
 

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:welldone: :welldone: nitrites are at .25 and nitrates are at 10-20 after a .5g PWC. The guppy is swimming all over the place has some color back and is much more energetic. Looks like we are heading in the right direction :D
 

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bettababy said:
The fish appear to have a bacterial & fungal problem, but it is not safe to medicate with nitrite showing up in the water. The best thing to do right now is to keep up with the water changes, decrease the feedings (every other day what the fish can finish in 1 minute), and give the tank a chance to complete the cycle. If we medicate now, it could be lethal to everything in the tank.

I will agree with not overdoing the biospira, too much of a good thing is no good. Time is the only thing I can suggest at this point, and keep water testing, every day to every other day. Once the water quality is in the clear, I can suggest an effective medication that should help clear up the rest of your problem.
Thanks bettababy, I didn't overdo the biospora, in total about 3mls were added. I will post once the tank has stabilized, or if anything takes a turn for the worse.

Thanks everyone for all the advice and help.
 

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GREAT news!! Tonight's test before doing a .5G PWC were 0 Ammnoia and 0 Nitrites, Nitrates were 10-20. The guppy looks really really good. The fin damage is still there, but his color is back and the growths that I saw on his face and head are gone :welldone: :welldone:

I will post an update later this week. Again thanks for the advice everyone, esp Bettababy!!
 

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Another week later another week healthier. Still 0s on the Ammonia and Nitrites, 10-20ppm Nitrates. Guppy is doing really good, his tail fin is starting to get a little better and he's a nice yellow again!
 
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