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So I ordered some new plants and they just came in the mail and I was cleaning them and I noticed a few planaria (or some fat oval, small worm like thing) ... I also noticed a few pond snails....

I was disappointed in the quality of the plants overall.....

But I just washed them well with tap water spending a ton of time...

I'm not sure that's good enough -.- I really don't want planaria or pond snails.

What should I do with the plants? Right now they are just sitting in a bucket of water... I'm afraid to introduce them but I don't want my investment to all die...

:( I'm so upset.
 

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Austin! :( I'm really sad for you right now. I hope this gets sorted out. . .

To be honest? If it were ME, I'd send a message to the seller. FIRST. Before anything else. . . with pics, if possible. . .

I'm sure there are a number of chemicals you can dump on them, but everything I know of is also pretty stressful for the plants, so I wouldn't want to use them on plants that weren't looking their best to begin with. I'm sure someone with more experience in such things will be along soon to help - I always keep my plants in fishless QT before adding them to the tank, so I'm not much help with this, I'm sorry!

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Thanks chesh,

Well, now that I washed them and all they actually are not too bad. I think my digust for the planaria made me sort of over react to the way the plants look. Only one plant died but most of the other stuff is fine. I contacted him... He seemed a bit defensive at first, said he treats them with potassium permanganate first and there shouldn't be any live planaria... 0.o but anyways, he recommended a bleach solution. I can't really get good photos of the planaria and I squished any that I saw without thinking much about it. x.x I don't wanna kill the plants.

How do you keep root plants in fish less quarantine?

Sort of off from the original topic, but Can I just leave them in a bucket for a day or so until I figure out what to do? (And can it be tap water?) I have school to study for I didn't intend to spend hours worrying about my plants and cleaning them!
 
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What was really gross was that I got one in my hand on my finger and one end of it kinda kept sticking to me!!! Is this normal for planaria or could it be LEECHES?!
 

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You can leave them in a bucket of tap water that's fine. Just don't leave them in the bucket too many days without light or they will not like it too much.
 

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Okay that's good to know. I can add dechlorinator easily if it helps...

Well I will probably have to wait until tomorrow to deal with it then, I'll have more time...

But for now any more recommendations anyone? :/

Not really it was like this:

http://imgur.com/i4xhfq5

Other pics won't upload for me right now x.x but it's the black u shaped thing. Sorry it's so blurry... I can't tell if that's how it looked. I only saw the top of it but it was only like 4-5 mm long and 2 mm thick. That one was gray but most were tan... I stupidly didn't look that hard. I was just stressed out an upset and I killed most of them...
 

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Good news that they don't seem *as* bad! :/ I'm so upset for you right now!

They should be fine in a bucket for a couple of days, you can even stick it in a shady spot outside so it can get a little bit of light. Root plants and Crypts (in my experience) don't enjoy being left to float for too long, though.

I've never dealt with these pests before, so I don't want to advise, but I'd put them into QT, regardless! o_O If it IS planaria, it shouldn't be *that* big of a deal. Most of the pests that come into a tank are more or less harmless, and ultimately become a part of the food chain. I actually liked it when I was infested with Daphnia for a while (before I started QTing!) But leeches??! *shudders* Leeches creep me out. o_O

How to feed them fishless depends on the tank ^.^ I have a crypt tank QTing right now that is using root tabs, and another rooty tank that is my first experiment with dirt and soil. Both tanks are doing great!


ETA - I just saw the video! EWWW! Looks like planaria to me. . . *wrinkles nose*
 

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Hmmm he said it looks like red worms or even leech... The guy who I bought them from. I don't even know!! Honestly I may just ask for a refund and if I can get one just toss them and order elsewhere... I don't want to set up a bunch of things and do all the hassle for something that in my opinion shouldn't have been there in the first place... :/ it's depressing. I really liked the ozelot sword and the vallisneria was nice. Maybe I'll try dipping in bleach... That would for sure kill anything? And if the plants live great...

He seems upstanding though and willing to try to make it better... But not sure how much a full refund will fly. It's just so gross I don't want to deal with it. I've never seen this kind of thing on plants.....
 

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He offered to send new plants once he figured out the problem... But honestly don't want his plants anymore. -.-
 

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He offered to send new plants once he figured out the problem... But honestly don't want his plants anymore. -.-

FWIW

Every tank I have started planted always had a snail bloom especially after a month or two.

then a year later there are only a few left.

I just do nothing.

the fish eat the baby snails and eggs.

the snalis eat the fish poop, dead plant leaves, and algae.

And I find them kinda interesting.

So I recommend you just ignore them and check back a year later.

but that's just my .02
 

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I'm not so worried about snails honestly as the worms/planaria and other gross things which may be present (if its infested with every possible pest, not sure why I shouldn't expect that I may miss other things as well).
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Hey Austin, have ya figures out what you are going to do? Have you seen any more bugs/worms? Just curious how the plants are doing? Did you do a bleach solution on the plants??
 

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Well I decided to toss them and he gave me a refund for the plants (not shipping..) so I basically got 62% of what I paid back. I'm fine with that. I'm gonna order off a bigger with probably farm raised plants and see how that goes, maybe.

My new lights came and idk if I told you but I was going the cheap way of buying "hydroponic" (aka marajuana LOL) grow lights... Home Depot website said they were 22" so they'd fit inside the current plastic fixtures if the current lights were removed, but they sent a different brand that was 23.75 inches!! What....

Being thrifty gets you nowhere...
 
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Well I decided to toss them and he gave me a refund for the plants (not shipping..) so I basically got 62% of what I paid back. I'm fine with that. I'm gonna order off a bigger with probably farm raised plants and see how that goes, maybe.

My new lights came and idk if I told you but I was going the cheap way of buying "hydroponic" (aka marajuana LOL) grow lights... Home Depot website said they were 22" so they'd fit inside the current plastic fixtures if the current lights were removed, but they sent a different brand that was 23.75 inches!! What....

Being thrifty gets you nowhere...

FWIW if not already mentioned I use 6500k lights available inexpensiverly at lowes and home depot among others.


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Aquariumplants.com suggests the following pre-dip of plants prior to tank entry.

The Aquariumplants.com link is right here, but I've embedded it for ease of use for my fish lovin' friends.

This is good stuff and really is important to help eliminate potential problems.


Potassium Permanganate Dip

The first dip is milder and safer for the plants. It is a Potassium Permanganate dip. Potassium Permanganate is available at Sear's and Ace Hardware in the area where they sell water softener's and supplies. You can also purchase Potassium Permanganate from chemical supply companies, both local and online.

To prepare a disinfectant dip, use a bucket filled about 1/2 full of water. Add enough Potassium Permanganate to color the water a dark pink. This solution can be saved if covered, and it's a great way to store your nets and tools, soaking the this solution. Back to the dipping. To disinfect and kill most algae a 10-20 minute dip (more like bath) in Potassium Permanganate is very effective. Rinse the plants under tap water thoroughly and add dechlor to your tank...it neutralizes Potassium Permanganate too.

CAUTION: Potassium Permanganate is a strong powerful oxidizer. Treatment should be made outside the tank...it will kill your bio-filter. Like all chemicals you should wear protective eye wear and gloves. Potassium Permanganate will stain clothing, carpeting, skin, etc. Never combine Potassium Permanganate and Formalin, this will result in explosive results and dangerous gases.


Bleach (Chlorine) Dip

This is a more effective and sure-fire way to kill algae. It is also very easy to kill the plant in the process. Regular household bleach (i.e. Clorox) is diluted to a 5% (19 parts water to 1 part bleach) solution in a bucket. It's good to have a second bucket filled with rinse water containing 3X the normal dechlor. Dip large leaf plants for 3 minutes, immediately move to the dechlor rinse water, then rinse under running tap water for a few seconds, if you still smell chlorine, repeat the rinse process again. For small delicate leaf plants and mosses dip for only 2 minutes in the bleach. To be safe, add dechlor to the tank after adding the plants back. Also, if your dipping a lot of plants you may need to add more dechlor to your rinse water.

Remember, the bleach dip is a last resort solution. It can and may kill your plants! Use the same caution handling bleach as recommended for Potassium Permanganate.

Alum Dip

The Alum dip is more for killing microscopic bugs. Use at 1 tablespoon per gallon of water. Soak the plant for at least an hour, longer soaks of 2 to 3 days are needed to kill snails and snail eggs. For snails and snails eggs a 2-3 hour soak in a stronger solution of 3 tablespoons per gallon of water is a better choice. Alum isn't nearly as effective as the prior two for killing algae. Alum is aluminum sulfate and Alum USP can be obtained from a compounding pharmacy or grocery stores. (It's usually with the spices, herbs and pickling supplies).

 

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Imo, if you don't want snails and the worms in your tank, ditch the plants. Snails are good for a tank but pond snails are called pests for a reason.
 
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