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I am new here but thought I would get started.
New to this and made a few of the newbie mistakes.
I have three tanks my first is a ten gallon, my second still in the possess of setting up is a fifty five gallon. And my third I got today as an isolation tank.
Ick has hit my goldfish and I lost two to it but my third is in the isolation tank recovering after treating both tanks for it with ick guard and garlic.
My ten gallon tank is a little crouded but will be solved when the large tank is up and ready. All this fish are small and don't seem to bothered with each other and most will be in the larger tank in a few weeks.
I have one Goldfish in isolation, a platy which will remain in the ten gallon, two striped Raphael catfish, one African lemon yellow chiclid and five tiger barbs. I also have two suckers. I know alot for one tank but they will be fine in the larger tank when its set up.
It seems that the ick attacked only the goldfish and they were hit bad but it has ignored the other fish. I was wondering if there is a strand that only likes goldfish or is it just due to my mistake of having goldfish with barbs?
 

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From what I undersatnd goldfish and tropical fish shoudnt be housed together because of care requirments. Goldfish I believe are messier and need cooler water than most tropical fish can stand. I believe you should move only your tropical fish to this larger tank and get some more tiger barbs because if they tend to be bullies if their isn't enough of them. Im not to sure but I think those catfish get very large.

Anyway welcome to the forum. We have this cool feature here that let's u click on the darken color text of the fish like this...> Goldfish < this will bring you to a page with lots of info on care and size and history. Very interesting stuff.

Im a newbie but that's my two cents but their are lots of people who I swear have written books on this stuff who can help you more than I.
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The goldfish is isolated and will remain so away from the others, he will stay until he weather gets better or dies. I hope he gets better. The tiger barbs I have are a happy group of five and seem to do well. They are not all the same size and have had no domince issues yet. I started out with one had six but one was really nippy so I gave him to a friend who has some tetras and he had a little attitude adjustment from them and seems to have befriended her chiclid. My remaining five have all calmed down and get along with there tank mates. I have a lemon chiclid and my platy seems to really buddied up with him. My two catfish one stays hidden most of the time but the new one seems to be more interested in exploring the tank. The chiclid is fearless but not to aggressive and seems content with exploring the entire tank and all its finer points. He is the only one other then the plecos that enter the volcano. He likes to play peekaboo from it.
 

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Only the tropical fish and cats will be in the larger tank.
The cats get to seven inches there a smaller type and the 55 gallon should due but I have room for more tanks if needed.
 

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Hi there Donnie and welcome! I'm sorry you've gotten off to a bad start with ich. It can be a tough thing to beat. If your goldfish has it then any other fish that was in the tank with it is at risk. Keep that in mind, and keep a close eye out for signs of it in any of the other fish.

Jester is right that it's generally not a good idea to keep goldfish and tropicals together. Most tropicals will either nip at the goldfish's fins or could become a meal for the goldfish. As double-tailed goldfish grow to around 10 inches and like to be in groups, the 55 gallon with another few double-tailed goldfish friends will be his best home. If the goldfish is a single-tail like a shubunkin or a comet, then you are going to need a bigger tank. Goldfish also live for around 10 years with proper care. If this is an investment you weren't prepared to make, you should return the goldfish to the store.

Firstly, I think you should read all the profiles for your fish. As jester pointed out, click on the shaded name of the fish to see our profiles (like tiger barb). They contain a lot of wonderful information. The only one we don't have is the lemon cichlid, but you can find that profile here: Lemon Cichlid (Neolamprologus leleupi) - Seriously Fish
 

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i am prepared for it. Woke up and the goldfish is still alive. Hope he continues to fight it.
 

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Goldfish is showing alot of spunk this morning. He is eating again and seems to be returning to himselve. Still alot of spots on his tail but tank has a good treatment in it and I have left the filter off during the treatment. I used ick guard and melafix along with garlic. Treated both tanks with them.
 

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Turning the filter off is never a good idea with goldfish. They produce a lot of ammonia and need to have a filter running at all times to prevent ammonia toxicity. The instructions say to remove the activated carbon as it removes the medication from the water, not to turn off the filter. Also while using products like this you need to keep tabs on your ammonia. Sometimes they can also kill the good bacteria.

Another interesting tidbit is to feed the fish food with garlic in it. I will put it in my home made gel food but some commercial foods like New Life Spectrum have garlic in them. It has a tendency to make the fish taste "bad" to parasites. Interestingly enough it will also work to a degree with humans. Eat a lot of garlic, and the ticks don't like the way you taste!
 

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Then a 55 gallon aquarium isn't going to be large enough. Ideally he should be in a pond as these fish are active swimmers and get large (around a foot long). They can be kept in 75 gallon or larger tanks, and should be kept with other goldfish as they can get skittish by themselves.
 

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Goldfish is going from laying in the corner of the tank most of the time. He sometimes comes up for a swim but I think he is about to give up.
The other tank is still doing fine and shows no sign of infestation in any of the fish.
Two of the barbs have gone at it for domince a couple times today. Both of the catfish are a little more active as they are getting used to there tank mates. The one catfish seems to like to explore the tank more than the other but my first one is finding more places to hang out now. I also have a lemmon chiclid and my platy seems to really like him for some reason. Is this normal?
 

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My striped Raphael catfish started to swim more last night and have even been seen at the top of the tank. They have been helping the pleco's eat algae off the tank. They both have been out alot and are still out swimming around this morning.
 

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Well a sad note today. The goldfish lost the battle with ick. Poor guy was really hit buy it.
He though may have saved the rest as the ick seems to have left the other fish alone and I have treated that tank to it.
 

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Starting to think my problem is far worse than ick. Got all my fish from Walmart and having about the same luck I have been reading about with Walmart fish. Have had problems with ammonia, been changing water fifty percent every day, haven't seen signs of ammonis sickness but can't bring ammonia levels down. The only fish I have that seems unefected is my platy. He is as healthy as the day I got him and he was the first fish I got. My plecos are also unefected. I have lost all my other original fish. Came home from work and both striped catfish were dead. Then two of the tiger barbs but they were moved to the isolation tank to try to stem whatever is getting to them. The chiclid is pacing the tank, but the strangest thing is that the platy seems to be looking after him. I haven't seen him eat and this morning I watched the platy push him out of hiding and led him around the tank, further more I watched the platy spit food out In front of him and tried to get him to eat it. I am wondering if the chiclid wasn't the one who was sick to start with but for some reason from the moment I put him in the tank the platy has looked after him. I put in the recommended dose of start zyme after the last water change, but however if its ammonia then why is the platy unefected as he is the smallest fish in the tank? He was one of the first in there and has shown no signs of stress.
I will continue to do water changes daily in hopes to get it better, I now only have four fish in that tank as all the tiger barbs have been moved. All the barbs have shown signs that there is something wrong with them.
 

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Well the platy has gotten the chiclid to calm down and he is back to swimming normal and the Patty is following him around the tank. Think that platy was a good investment.
 

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Ick is gone aquarium salt saved the day. Ammonia levels are coming down to safer range an no deaths to report of. Seems that all going alot better
 

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Well no more losses. I went out and got another ten gallon to move my chiclid to when its ready. He will have this tank alone with a snail. I had cleaned my five gallon really well and one of my plecos will be there till my platys give birth again. I have had two more plates as I found two females to keep my male some company. They gave birth the second day I had them but the chiclid ate all the new born plates, hence why he will be getting a tank of his own.
 

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In two or three weeks I should have a base built for my 55 gallon and I plan to plant it with live plants. I will have two chiclids by then which will have this tank. I plan to find an Electric Blue to go with my Electric Yellow. Some time I my add a larger aquarium but that will be many next year.
 

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I would strongly advise you NOT to do a planted tank with Cichlids, they eat most plants and will constantly uproot them.

You need to decide for the 55g tank which fish you would want to keep, Cichlids should be kept in a species only tank with ONLY synodontis Catfish or BN plecos, no other smaller fish, the cichlids are too aggressive for most and will more than likely eat them.

A 10g tank is way too small for a cichlid, they need at least a 30g+ tank as they are extremely active fish.
Cichlids are also classed as aggressive fish, which is why I would recommend not keeping them with anything other than what I have mentioned.

Have you cycled the tank?

If not have a look at this for how to cycle the tank.

If you need help with stocking suggestions then please do not hesitate to ask.
 

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The chiclid is now only an inch and half long so a ten gallon is OK for about two months while I get the 55 set up. Since I have four aquariums I do have several types of fish. The platys are about full grown and are about the same size as the chiclid. He is a electric yellow and isn't as aggressive as some of the other chiclids. When I have the 55 gallon set up there will only be a pleco and two chiclids. The plays will be in one ten gallon and the other ten gallon will be for something else. The five gallon will be for the platys to give birth and I will use most of the young for feeder fish for the chiclids. No worries as I have it under control now.
The large tank will cycle for a month maby with a snail in as the only source of ammonia. I do have two snails at the moment.
 
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