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Hello,

I would just like to know if my choices are "good" or "bad"?

First Tank
10 gallon
2 gold fish (both about 1.5 inches) (About 30 days in my tank)
Gold fish 1: Type: Oranda Red Cap, Name:puffy
Gold fish 2: Type: Dont Know, Name: no name
1 Pleco (2 inches) (about 15 days in my tank)
Name: no name

Second Tank (simple)
2 Gallon
1 Betta fish (Blue) (about 30 days)
Name: Gill

Third Tank (simple)
Half a Gallon
1 Betta fish (Red) (about 15 days)
Name: no name

I dont like how the betta's are kept in such small cups at the pet store, I figured I could give it some more room (not much) without taking up to much room in my house.

I heard the amount of fish you can keep in your tank is 2 inches per gallon, so I figured that mine is doing fine. But then again dont gold fish get pretty big?
 

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goldfish can get pretty big, and are big waste producers so youll need a good filter when they get bigger. red cap orandas can grow up to a foot long (12"). its true thatyoure giving your bettas a better life than in the wee tubs in pet shops but 1/2 a gallon is still too tiny for any fish, (and imo so is 2g but others might differ on that one). it will survive in a tank that small, but wont be happy or able to swim anywhere
 

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Brandon said:
Gold fish grow only as big as they can so in a pond i've seen HUGE ones.
thats actually wrong, they will keep growing until there is no space to grow, meaning if they can swim back and forth in the aquarium they will still grow

As for the bettas, there best tanks for them are 10 gallons each, they will show there best color and there swimming in bigger tanks but they can survive (although probably not thrive) in smaller tanks

Goldfish need 30 gallons for 2 goldfish and 10 gallons per fish above that, meaning 40 gallons 3 goldfish, 50 gallons 4 goldfish, 60 gallons 5 etc
 

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First Tank
10 gallon
2 gold fish (both about 1.5 inches) (About 30 days in my tank)
Gold fish 1: Type: Oranda Red Cap, Name:puffy
Gold fish 2: Type: Dont Know, Name: no name
1 Pleco (2 inches) (about 15 days in my tank)
Name: no name


Fine for now...but goldfish grow BIG, even the fancies grow a good 6-8" and will need 10-20 gallons EACH...

The pleco is not a good choice for 2 reasons. The pleco needs warmer water than the goldfish and is also a HUGE fish...12" easily when mature.

Second Tank (simple)
2 Gallon
1 Betta fish (Blue) (about 30 days)
Name: Gill


That's fine...but a 5g planted tank would be MUCH better (or bigger!). Make sure you keep his water warm enough...contrary to popular belief...room temp. (71 F) is NOT warm enough...

Third Tank (simple)
Half a Gallon
1 Betta fish (Red) (about 15 days)
Name: no name


Not so good...see above...

I dont like how the betta's are kept in such small cups at the pet store, I figured I could give it some more room (not much) without taking up to much room in my house.

They're kept in the small cups in fish stores because it's convenient. That doesn't mean they should always be kept in small containers...all the fish in aquariums in petstores are kept overstocked...that doesn't mean that's how they should be kept...
 

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They're kept in the small cups in fish stores because it's convenient. That doesn't mean they should always be kept in small containers...all the fish in aquariums in petstores are kept overstocked...that doesn't mean that's how they should be kept...
I know that they are kept over stocked, but its still good enough to put them in some thing a little bit bigger.

What i dont understand is why they sell 2 gallon tanks for bettas and half a gallon for bettas if it is not good for them?

As for the pleco, I am considering taking it back to the pet store during the next week or so.

Im guessing no one at the pet store was helpful because it seems there are problems.

oh, btw, I feed the fish twice a day, 8am and 8pm (12 hours in between) bettas get 2 pebles in 1 day, 1 per feeding. The gold fish get one little pinch of flake food.

Thank you for your help so far.
 

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...I agree that they should have better housing...but what kind of housing can you have, for individual fish, when a stores sells 50+ fish a week?

I'd like to see special divided tanks...all nicely filtered and heated...but that's just me...

...pet stores are also businesses...so if the public demands small bowl for their 'pretty' fish the pet stores will supply them if they make money...

...sad but true...

To get over this 'abuse' of bettas, the public is going to have to stop demanding fish bowls and start demanding appropriate tanks...
 

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Puffy said:
Rue said:
They're kept in the small cups in fish stores because it's convenient. That doesn't mean they should always be kept in small containers...all the fish in aquariums in petstores are kept overstocked...that doesn't mean that's how they should be kept...
I know that they are kept over stocked, but its still good enough to put them in some thing a little bit bigger.

What i dont understand is why they sell 2 gallon tanks for bettas and half a gallon for bettas if it is not good for them?

As for the pleco, I am considering taking it back to the pet store during the next week or so.

Im guessing no one at the pet store was helpful because it seems there are problems.

oh, btw, I feed the fish twice a day, 8am and 8pm (12 hours in between) bettas get 2 pebles in 1 day, 1 per feeding. The gold fish get one little pinch of flake food.

Thank you for your help so far.
ive seen a lot worse than 1/2 gallons, ive seen little bowls that are half the volume of the betta containers at petsmart, its called the perfect little bowl for bettas, goldfish and guppies. Its the size of your palm and contains... 6 oz of water
 

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Puffy said:
Rue said:
ive seen a lot worse than 1/2 gallons, ive seen little bowls that are half the volume of the betta containers at petsmart, its called the perfect little bowl for bettas, goldfish and guppies. Its the size of your palm and contains... 6 oz of water
Yep, the lfs where I buy my fish has them, and a fake little plant, to go with it. I was in there looking at reptile stuff and a girl bought the betta, teeny 'bowl' and fake little plant looking thing. It is the ugliest thing I have ever seen btw. I cant even explain it. Anyways I feel bad for those fish =(
 

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GalaxyGirl said:
musho3210 said:
Puffy said:
Rue said:
ive seen a lot worse than 1/2 gallons, ive seen little bowls that are half the volume of the betta containers at petsmart, its called the perfect little bowl for bettas, goldfish and guppies. Its the size of your palm and contains... 6 oz of water
Yep, the lfs where I buy my fish has them, and a fake little plant, to go with it. I was in there looking at reptile stuff and a girl bought the betta, teeny 'bowl' and fake little plant looking thing. It is the ugliest thing I have ever seen btw. I cant even explain it. Anyways I feel bad for those fish =(
yeah, luckily only one lfs near me supports this while the other uses these as storage containers (stores things that need to be in water besides fish) and they are in the back corner of the store with a big sign over it saying NOT for fish use. THe store that supports this gives you a betta and a bowl for the price of only 1 betta with a small amount of gravel, then i saw these parents give the fish to these 2 small girls, they looked about 6 or 7 years old while the parents looked at saltwater tanks. Now were talking about stupid kids, both of them wanted the fish so they were snatching, shaking, tapping, banging on the fishes container. Water was even splashing out of the side, i really wanted to go there and beat the girls up as well as the parents but i decided not to. Left the store and spat on the floor to express my hate.

Bettas are recieving treatment as bad as goldfish....
 

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musho3210 said:
GalaxyGirl said:
musho3210 said:
Puffy said:
Rue said:
ive seen a lot worse than 1/2 gallons, ive seen little bowls that are half the volume of the betta containers at petsmart, its called the perfect little bowl for bettas, goldfish and guppies. Its the size of your palm and contains... 6 oz of water
Yep, the lfs where I buy my fish has them, and a fake little plant, to go with it. I was in there looking at reptile stuff and a girl bought the betta, teeny 'bowl' and fake little plant looking thing. It is the ugliest thing I have ever seen btw. I cant even explain it. Anyways I feel bad for those fish =(
yeah, luckily only one lfs near me supports this while the other uses these as storage containers (stores things that need to be in water besides fish) and they are in the back corner of the store with a big sign over it saying NOT for fish use. THe store that supports this gives you a betta and a bowl for the price of only 1 betta with a small amount of gravel, then i saw these parents give the fish to these 2 small girls, they looked about 6 or 7 years old while the parents looked at saltwater tanks. Now were talking about stupid kids, both of them wanted the fish so they were snatching, shaking, tapping, banging on the fishes container. Water was even splashing out of the side, i really wanted to go there and beat the girls up as well as the parents but i decided not to. Left the store and spat on the floor to express my hate.

Bettas are recieving treatment as bad as goldfish....
I feel bad for these fish too. Isnt there a "rule" that says that you can have 2 inch of fish per 1 gallon? I figured that 2 gold fish, only about 1.5 inches (including tail) in a 10 gallon tank would be good. The employee's at petcetera said that they will grow to their envioronment and stay that size. (In other words, it was fine)
 

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The rule is:

1) ONE inch per gallon. (Two in long estabilished, heavily planted tanks.)

2) Applies to tropical fish. Goldfish are not tropical. Gas (Oxygen is the one we're concerned with, but gas in general) has lower soluability in cooler water, so one can keep a third as many fish in a tank at 60 degrees F as you can at 75.

3) Applies to minnow shaped fish in the 1-3" range. Fancy Goldfish are sphere/blob shaped fish in the 6-12" range.

4) Assumes that the fish produce an average amount of poop. Goldfish are above average in the manure department, and plecos are the kings of fish faeces. Taking all that into account, In cool water, I'd want 3 to 4 gallons per inch for goldfish.

5) Should be applied to the average maximum size of the fish in the tank - so calculate 8" for each of the Goldfish and 12" for the pleco. So for just the Goldfish, we're talking 48 to 64 gallons - Minimum.

6) The rule doesn't actually work all that well, since in a non-planted tank the only oxygen comes from the surface area of the tank, which can vary significantly for tanks of the same volume. While volume is important for diluting waste, as one approaches the maximum load on the tank, dissolved oxygen tends to be the limiting factor.
 

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I think keeping gold fish in a t .ank under 15 gallons is not rite. And its not true that they grow to the size the tank can handle they just grow lol. I have a 50 gallons tank with 5 gold fish and they are about 11 cm long now and were about 4 cm long when I got em :)
 

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its 1 inche per 2 gallons for goldfish. A standard comet goldfish can reach up to 12 inches therefor needing 24 gallons of water to itself.
 

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I think keeping gold fish in a t .ank under 15 gallons is not rite. And its not true that they grow to the size the tank can handle they just grow lol. I have a 50 gallons tank with 5 gold fish and they are about 11 cm long now and were about 4 cm long when I got em :)
Not to mention that a small environment shortens the life expectancy.

My father bought 5 goldfish 16 years ago. One died after one year. The other fish are still alive and huge. When he bought those guys they were around 3 cm (1.18 inch). Today they are nearly 20 cm (7.8 inch).

In my personal opinion a goldfish does not belong in a tank except during the cold wintertimes and even then, it depends on where you´re living.
 

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Yea thanks, like is I said in another post (or maybe a different thread) the people that helped me pick everything out knew exactly what I had and didn't tell me anything about how big a gold fish can get. I asked them, and they said that 2 gold fish were ok in 10 gallon (one person even said 4 would be ok, but I knew that would be too much).

So, in a 10 gallon, my goldfish will get 2.5 inches each?

Anyway, what is "ok" in a 10 gallon tank? Could you please name some fish that would be ok and how many would go together in one tank?

Like this please...
1.Name - Amount
2.Name - Amount
3.Name - Amount

Thank you
 

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Fish do not grow to the size of the tank. More accurately, if you keep a fish in too small a tank, the outside will grow to the largest it can, subject to the maximum size of the fish, and the insides will grow to their maximum size - causing all sorts of problems. So if you keep a fish in too small a tank it will be crippled.

So in 10 gallons:
Goldfish - 0
Common Pleco - 0

Small tetras (Neons, Cardinals, Glo Lights, Black Neons) - 10 - 12
Small Corydoras (C. Pygmaeus, Hasorus, hastatus, panda) - 5 - 10
Otocinculus - 5
Dwarf Puffer - 1 - 3 (no more than 1 male)
Small Rasboras (eg. Bororas Maculatus) - up to 12
Danio choprae - 5-10
Cherry red shrimp - 20+
Amano Shrimp - 10
Ghost Shrimp - 10
Bumblebee gobies - 6-10 (brackish - hard to feed)
Betta - 1 male OR up to 5 Female
Guppies - Up to 3
White Cloud Mountain Minnows - 6-12 (cool water tolerant - long finned ones are goreous.)

The above is the amount if that is all that is in your tank.

I have 2 ten gallons cycling right now. In one I am planning 1 male betta, 3 ottos, and 5 Corydoras pygmaus or hastatus. In the other, I am planning one male and 2 female dwarf puffers and some ghost shrimp (which may or may not become puffer food).

There are some other fish you could keep, but not very many. Google "nano fish".

The thing is, a 10 gallon is considered a nano-tank. The rules for lighting are different. 20" is not enough swimming room for most fish. I would't keep a goldfish (period, but if I were going to against my inclination) in anything less than a 15 (probably a 20 High - 15's are hard to find sometimes). I wouldn't keep 2 in less than 29, and if I were really planning on keeping a display tank with goldfish, I would go with a 46 bowfront, 50 Breeder, a 55 or a 65 and keep 3 - 4 goldfish and 3 - 4 Weather Loaches with the temp around 70 degrees. If I felt I absolutely needed more fish than that, I'd add a school of 6-10 white clouds. Also, if I had a hex tank, I wouldn't get more than 2 goldfish and 1 weather loach regardless of the size (the surface area just doesn't allow for much dissoved oxygen.)
 

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Fish do not grow to the size of the tank. More accurately, if you keep a fish in too small a tank, the outside will grow to the largest it can, subject to the maximum size of the fish, and the insides will grow to their maximum size - causing all sorts of problems. So if you keep a fish in too small a tank it will be crippled.

So in 10 gallons:
Goldfish - 0
Common Pleco - 0

Small tetras (Neons, Cardinals, Glo Lights, Black Neons) - 10 - 12
Small Corydoras (C. Pygmaeus, Hasorus, hastatus, panda) - 5 - 10
Otocinculus - 5
Dwarf Puffer - 1 - 3 (no more than 1 male)
Small Rasboras (eg. Bororas Maculatus) - up to 12
Danio choprae - 5-10
Cherry red shrimp - 20+
Amano Shrimp - 10
Ghost Shrimp - 10
Bumblebee gobies - 6-10 (brackish - hard to feed)
Betta - 1 male OR up to 5 Female
Guppies - Up to 3
White Cloud Mountain Minnows - 6-12 (cool water tolerant - long finned ones are goreous.)

The above is the amount if that is all that is in your tank.

I have 2 ten gallons cycling right now. In one I am planning 1 male betta, 3 ottos, and 5 Corydoras pygmaus or hastatus. In the other, I am planning one male and 2 female dwarf puffers and some ghost shrimp (which may or may not become puffer food).

There are some other fish you could keep, but not very many. Google "nano fish".

The thing is, a 10 gallon is considered a nano-tank. The rules for lighting are different. 20" is not enough swimming room for most fish. I would't keep a goldfish (period, but if I were going to against my inclination) in anything less than a 15 (probably a 20 High - 15's are hard to find sometimes). I wouldn't keep 2 in less than 29, and if I were really planning on keeping a display tank with goldfish, I would go with a 46 bowfront, 50 Breeder, a 55 or a 65 and keep 3 - 4 goldfish and 3 - 4 Weather Loaches with the temp around 70 degrees. If I felt I absolutely needed more fish than that, I'd add a school of 6-10 white clouds. Also, if I had a hex tank, I wouldn't get more than 2 goldfish and 1 weather loach regardless of the size (the surface area just doesn't allow for much dissoved oxygen.)
5-10 cories is too much for a 10 gallon, unless its a species tank 3-5
 
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