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I got up this morning and 3 of my fish (1 swordtail, 2 guppies) were laying in the tank. I checked water parameters and they are as follows.

Nitrites 0
Nitrates 20
PH 7.4
Ammonia 0
temp 76...

Due for a water change today..... 25%

Please help as I am at a loss as to what is killing them.
Not sure what to look for . I have one platy that is sluggish but the others are swimming around just fine, they are all eating well. suggestions as to what to look for please ,, or what to do, I do not want to lose them all.
 

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Could you give a few more details? How many gallons? how many fish do you have in your tank? what kind of filter do you have?

Let's see if we can figure this out!
 

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it is a 30 gal. tank...
5 guppies, 7 platys and 1 cory....
2 aqua tech for 20 gal. that is why there are 2

I did a 50 percent water change..... am desperate, I noticed one of my platys has a patch of white film looking stuff on him that wasn't there the other day.
 

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it is almost 2 am and I am sitting here watching one of my guppies give birth, at 17 fry so far.... Maybe the male I lost today fathered these and I will get one of his fry. I cannot put them in my big tank for fear they will contract whatever is killing the others. although the one giving birth has been in the tank so I am taking the fry out and putting them in my other tank. .....
 

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Sorry to hear about your fish. Please answer as many of the following questions as you can so that we can try to help.

1. Size of tank?

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia?
b. Nitrite?
c. Nitrate?
d. pH, KH and GH?
e. Test kit?

3. Temperature?

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)?

5. How long the aquarium has been set up?

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants?
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom?
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors?

9. a. Filtration?
b. Heater?

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used?
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long?

11. a. Water change schedule?
b. Volume of water changed?
c. Well water, tap water, RO water?
d. Water conditioner used?
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed?

12. Foods?
How often are they fed?

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms?
b. Appearance of poop?
c. Appearance of gills?

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis?
b. What meds were used?

15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary.

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Romad..... I will answer what I can.

1. Size of tank? 30 gal

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia O
b. Nitrite 0
c. Nitrate 20
d. pH, KH and GH 7.2
e. Test kit API master test kit

3. Temperature 80

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish) Freshwater

5. How long the aquarium has been set up? 6 months

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?

I have 5 guppies, 1 cory, 7 platys..... (all but 2 of platys are only 2 months old, born in tank. last bought guppies 6 weeks ago... had been in tank for 2 weeks.

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?
yes

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants? all fake plants.
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom? gravel
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors? Hollow décor

9. a. Filtration? aquatech (from walmart) 2 for 20 gal. tank.... that is why I have 2 of them in it.
b. Heater? yes.......

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used? flouresent I turn it off at night.... light is on approximately 12 hr.
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long? No sunlight

11. a. Water change schedule? I do water change usually once weekly... had ammonia spike about a week ago... did 2 50 % water changes to bring it down.
b. Volume of water changed? usually only 25 %....
c. Well water, tap water, RO water? Tap
d. Water conditioner used? aquasafe... put out by tetra....
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed? Vacumed every water change. careful not to vacume to much as to not mess with cycle.

12. Foods? Hikari first bites for the young ones...... Hikari high protein for guppies.... freezedried bloodworms once weekly.... or shrimp .... alternate those two as a treat. wardley tropical fish flake food.
How often are they fed? once in the morning and once at night.

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms? whitish film looking stuff on sides of a couple platys
b. Appearance of poop? whitish
c. Appearance of gills? red

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? only fish I treated was one that was wounded with melafix.... but that was in small tank..... not community .
b. What meds were used?

I am slowly raising the temp in the tank to help if it is ick... but I do not see any salt like spots on them, just the whitish looking film on the two platys.


15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary. will have a friend come take a photo of tank for me if she can.... and I will post it.

Thank you so much, I lost another one this morning and now they are all hanging out by the heater....
 

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lost another one this morning..... raised the temp to 84 today..... will raise it another 2 degrees tomorrow..... Please can anyone help????????
 

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The white film you saw on the one fish could be Columnaris, and in that case you WOULDN'T want to raise the temperature, as it breeds faster in warmer water. I've been through the wringer with Columnaris, and its the pits. If you see any spots on the mouths of the fish, or red streaks, or just the film, I would get some Kanaplex by Seachem and treat the whole tank with that. Columnaris killed half my fish, and it came back two months later and killed more. Its a very nasty disease that is hard to get rid of. I tried Maracyn and Maracyn II and neither one helped at all. I had a very virulent form of the disease. If your case isn't as virulent, you may be able to save most of your fish.
 

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thank you iggzy.... I just got home and another one leaves me.... and she was preg. Not sure what is killing them all...... I guess I am going to have to just start treating till I get it right. and hope for the best.
 

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It does sound like Columnaris :( Keep the water as clean as possible with frequent water changes and if you can't readily get your hands on Kanaples, you can try Furan II or Kanamycin.

I hope you're able to save some of your fish but if it's really advanced, it might be hard to get them well again.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 

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Roland, if it is columnaris... and one that is infected has babies, won't the babies have it? even if I remove them immediately after birth? and how did It get into my tank? I am pretty good about checking my levels, keeping new fish quarantined .... doing regular water changes..??????
 

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Hi hallie... Oh no! I might be talking nonsense, but can it be that there is too much chlorine in the water? (I didn't see you test for that)... might be a stupid suggestion, though...
I just can't imagine how bad this is :( good luck!
 

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no clorine..... at all..... it is as if something has invaded the tank..... I lost another one yesterday and again today..... I did buy another guppy yesterday, but I put it in a tank that I had just finished cycling..... was going to put my babies in it, but won't until I know that they are safe from whatever has infected my community tank.
 

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I know this doesn't help any, but my balloon Molly had fry during my Columnaris outbreak, and I was able to save six before they got eaten. Guess what? They all lived! Even with the tank being treated, and they're still alive to this day, and doing very well. So its not guaranteed you'll lose your fry. Some fish just seem more resistant than others. I can't figure out the Columnaris, since its so insidious, and you never know when its going to attack again, or who will be affected. I'm still on pins and needles about my tank. They say it flares up when the weather gets warmer. If that's the case, I'm in trouble. I never treated my big tank (55 gal), just my hospital tank. I put the "sickies" in there and treated them. Even so, I lost about half my fish. So I guess this means the Columnaris is still dormant in my big tank, waiting for the weather to warm up. I sure hope not.... Its so nasty, and so hard to get rid of, even with meds. Only way to get rid of it for sure is to break down the tank and use bleach on everything, and let it sit in the sun for a few days, and start all over. I sure hope you or I don't have to do that. Please keep us posted.
 

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Do you still have surviving fish (other than the fry) in the original tank?

For the fry, I'd get a 10 gallon kit if you can - all you'd need is a heater and thermometer after that. Don't forget to get them some fry food and baby brine shrimp. You'll also need to put a sponge or mesh over the filter intake tube in the fry tank so they don't get sucked into it.

I'd put the fry in the 10 gallon, treat the sick tank and see if you can save any of the sick fish if it isn't too late.
 
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I do have some surviving, although not sure if they will for long, I am battling a massive ammonia spike right now in the community tank..... I already have the fry in a 20 gal, along with the platy fry, they are doing well... I added some moss to the tank yesterday to help with the load it has.... as for my community tank, looks like I am going to lose all the guppies.... I just lost my favorite during the night.... but then I knew he was dying for sure when he was swimming upside down .... in circles and going under things.... I checked my parameters yesterday and the ammo. was out of this world, so did a massive water change and got it down to .25 , added some ammo-lock till I could get home today and do another water change to get it all the way down, but it seems to spike back up after a few hrs. Not sure what is going on in the tank, mini cycle or what? just don't know. But I will keep trying until they are gone I guess.... then start over with a fresh clean tank. Just not sure if I bleach it out if that will kill off whatever is killing them.... I HATE THIS!!!!!!!!
 

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I know :( Hang in there. Get some Seachem Prime conditioner and double or triple dose it in the tank that has the ammonia spike and keep doing water changes until you can get the ammonia under control.

If you do lose all of the fish and have to start over with the community tank, I would discard all of the gravel, filter media and plants. Everything else can be washed with bleach solution and rinsed a bunch of times afterwards.

Sorry that you're going through this :(
 
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