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i have been cycling my tank for 5 days now and I was wondering when it would be through and how do you tell and what do you do once its through cycling? i have three danios that have been in there for three days now...and i was told by some not to put other fish in there for about a month...and it just seems like a long time. any advice? i want to do it the right way...so im willing to learn.

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this info actually has changed now b/c petsmart tested my water and said that it should be fine to add some fish. i didnt want to overkill so i just bought two..a pineapple swordtail and a red wag platy...have i screwed up?

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You are trying to screw up the cycling just by following the lfs' bad advice.
As you already have fish there, it's best to just try maintaining zero ammonia and nitrites. Nitrates should not reach zero as it may result to blue-green algae growth. Don't add any more ammonia as this is toxic to the fish. Ammonia is best added if your tank is into fishless cycling.
 

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i didnt add any ammonia...
and now that im looking at my readings..my nitrAtes seem to be between 1 and 10 ..not 0.

anyways...what can i do about it now?
 

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honestly...this is getting a bit frustrating...for someone like myself, who knows NOTHING really about setting up and maintaining a fish tank, i would like to believe that the people at the pet store who act like they know what they are talking about would steer me in the right direction as far as cycling and setting up my tank and adding fish, etc, so as to minimize any fish loss and frustration. its pretty bad when three different stores all give you different advice..what am i to do if now i cant even trust my own fish store??! why are these people who dont really know what they are doing allowed to give innocent people like myself bad advice? and how do they get hired? and where should i go to get the RIGHT advice? should i check out a book or something? but how do you know that the info in the book was published by someone who actually knows what they're talking about? im so frustrated at this point...anyways....any thoughts?

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girlofgod said:
honestly...this is getting a bit frustrating...for someone like myself, who knows NOTHING really about setting up and maintaining a fish tank, i would like to believe that the people at the pet store who act like they know what they are talking about would steer me in the right direction as far as cycling and setting up my tank and adding fish, etc, so as to minimize any fish loss and frustration. its pretty bad when three different stores all give you different advice..what am i to do if now i cant even trust my own fish store??! why are these people who dont really know what they are doing allowed to give innocent people like myself bad advice? and how do they get hired? and where should i go to get the RIGHT advice? should i check out a book or something? but how do you know that the info in the book was published by someone who actually knows what they're talking about? im so frustrated at this point...anyways....any thoughts?
Bri, I understand your frustrations. You're not the only one given bad advice. Almost all hobbyists encountered this during the start of their hobby. I, too, encountered it. Fatal, isn't it?
The best way you can do is keep asking questions from the experienced members or friends and understand what you read in the book. Not all books are reliable anyway but you can always ask from us.

We are here to help you, Bri.

As for the lfs, every lfs is the same.
They have one thing in common: money/corruption. The money corrupts them and they are blinded by it. Instead of helping beginners, they just steer them to buying more fish until the beginner becomes frustrated that he/she will keep shouting to others that fishkeeping is not worth it. Best not to believe this tantrum. Don't knock it 'til you try it.

There are countries who have the lfs staff receive training before getting a job in an lfs. Others don't care if their staff has knowledge or not.
If you'd like to ask advice from the lfs, be sure to know that they understand what they are talking about. If you don't get their ideas, then ask your experienced friends about it and verify if that information is true or not. If the advice turns out to be bad, shop elsewhere.
Breeders or specialists are usually the better sources for fish.

Good luck with the fishkeeping.
 

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I would agree with you on the LFS's and what they do to beginner's in this hobby, But I did know one LFS to I used to go to all the time that wasn't like that at all. I was very good friends with the owner and he is the reason I know so much about this hobby now. But there are more corrupt LFS then there are good ones. :D
 

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well, im not going to give up that easy...but i do want to yell at someone! lol...you think i would get arrested if i went to lfs and yelled at some people? cuz my husband/daughter wouldnt appreciate it if i was arrested..."what? she was arrested? who's gonna cook dinner? where's my clean underwear?..." lol

well, any books yall recommend? i like to think im quite intelligent (lol) and understand things easily, and i love to read, so maybe thats the best option?

also, no friends in the fishkeeping hobby....my mother has been trying to set up a FW tank for my brother since last october, and it has been a MISERABLE experience...she/lfs just dont know what they're doing and it has resulted in HUNDREDS of dollars of fish loss...which discourages me a little..but oh well..

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Don't worry about asking. We are here.
What was the purpose of your membership if you don't ask us?
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well, any books yall recommend? i like to think im quite intelligent (lol) and understand things easily, and i love to read, so maybe thats the best option?
I have a few books posted in the Aquarium Books section. There could be some available in your place.
 

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Read the cycling part of the forum, and follow Blue's advice i.e. ask questions. Not all LFS are that bad, mine's pretty ok and the ownwer and his son give good advice (not always so the employees) but i gueess they are pretty busy most days so you have to hang around if you want your questions answered. As for fishkeeping friends you should make plenty in this forum.
It does help to vent your anger though
 

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thanks...i think ive read all the stickys i could find...hee hee...oh, and i went back to my lfs store tonite and vented my frustration with their inconsistency...i wasnt mean, just frank...anyways...thanks for your help!

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Hello, I guess I am an "LFS" (although I haven't got a clue what those initials stand for!!); I work part-time at a Petsmart store. We do not receive any type of training, unfortunately, but I 'hand picked' the job because of my interest and experience with all types of pets :) and, fortunately, I was offered employment due to my interest. Although I do not claim to be any kind of expert, I have had positive experiences with fish-keeping and find it to be a very rewarding (and addicting!!) hobby. Since your "LFS" gave you poor advice, I will tell you what I have learned from experience: get a bottle of the bacterial supplement which 'speeds up' and/or 'assists' the growth of the beneficial bacteria. Not sure if it is good advice or not, but from experience, I have never started a tank or 'upgraded' without using a product such as Cycle, or "Stability", and to date, I have not experienced fish loss. Just for the record, they do NOT tell us that at the pet store, but I tend to suggest it to customers because of my personal experience. Good luck to you :) .
 

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I dont know if I'm going to get backed up on this but I'm sure those work and do help speed up the cycling process but eventually the bacteria dye's off is what i've heard. But I wouldnt recommend buying any cycling product, part of this hobby is learning to be patient. So if you cant even wait out cycling a tank and you need chemicals to add to the water, than it may end up being fatal. Just my opinion I dont know if anyone else feels the same. I have also heard blue say that he doesnt recommend chemicals unless its an emergency like fishy's illness.

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Well said, Nick.
Using chemicals during cycling is useless anyway as you are turning your tank into chemical soup.
It's best to apply patience on your part while doing the cycling process in your tank.
 

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Can you "cycle" a tank without fish or ammonia in it? I have customers that start their tanks and let them run for a few weeks without adding fish, and keep getting their water tested, but they never mention having added ammonia or anything else to it. How does a tank full of water cycle without anything in there? Lastly, I have never thought of the bacertial supplements as a 'chemical'; I thought they contained 'live' bacteria and were safe. I am shocked!
 

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Can you "cycle" a tank without fish or ammonia in it? I have customers that start their tanks and let them run for a few weeks without adding fish, and keep getting their water tested, but they never mention having added ammonia or anything else to it. How does a tank full of water cycle without anything in there? Lastly, I have never thought of the bacertial supplements as a 'chemical'; I thought they contained 'live' bacteria and were safe. I am shocked!
No, you can't cycle a tank without a fish or ammonia. It won't also work easily without adding bacterial sources. Your bacterial sources are usually filter media and decors(even substrate) from an established tank.
If you don't add bacterial sources, of course, the ammonia will not be converted to nitrites which would turn into nitrates. Fish wastes produced ammonia which is toxic to the fish which is why adding bacterial sources is important as bacteria containing in the media can convert the ammonia into nitrites.
As for chemicals, they won't work at all. How will live bacteria survive inside a bottle as chemicals? :roll: Silly question, in my opinion. Using chemicals is like turning a tank into chemical soup.
 

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why do they market those products as "Live bacteria" then? it says right on the bottle, contains live bacterica....it sure is confusing...
 

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A lot of products are not that good. One example besides "Live Bacteria" are the "pH up" and pH down". They may adjust the pH but you cannot really control it thus the pH levels tend to bounce because of them. Bouncing levels can harm the fish.
 

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Confusing and discouraging to say the least. I was so pleased with my good fortune of no fish loss from 'new tank syndrome' and always believed that Cycle was such a miracle, such a fish saver! Chemical soup? Yuck! The upside, I guess, is that none of the fish died because of a new set up.
 
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