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Hi fellows,

I'd like to see your views on this sticky thread.
Prior to many people disregarding freezing method as they view it as cruel, I have to ask you on what else do you feel humane enough to kill a fish to end any misery after long-term health conditions, etc.

The only humane ways I find so far are use of clove oil/alcohol and decapitation.
The reason decapitation is often suggested is that it will work especially on large fish. You have to do it quickly to make the fish die instantly without struggling. But I can see some people viewing it as inhumane or cruel yet the point there is to end the fish's misery without it struggling from pain as a result of having its spine cut severely.

Freezing will now be considered as inhumane as it is like shoving a fish intentionally in the freezer and left there to die in peace.:dunno:

Any more suggestions and views will be appreciated and we will revise the sticky to make it more informative.
I will not delete the methods of using clove oil, however, as Brie already posted everything about the use of clove oil.:)

Thank you very much.:)
 

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so your saying that freezing is cruel? i thought that it slowed down the metabolism and they went to "sleep" and never woke back up?

i can see where its sort of cruel but i know of people that boil their fish to death :evil: i guess the clove oil and vodka is sort of more humane but idk.

So we shouldnt freeze fish to euthanize them :?:
 

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I don't think i can kill a fish even it is suffering... I'll just let the fish to be as comfortable as possible until it passed away. This is what humans do..so why not to a fish.. I think this is more humane than any method us mentioned.
 

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There are times that my oscar won't finish a goldfish off, and I view it as suffering if it is beat up for a couple of days. It doesn't happen often, but when it does I euthanize the fish via freezing. I stick it in a fish bowl with plenty of room to swim and stick it in a large deep freeze. I'd be interested in hearing any ways that make it better for the fish, though.
 

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Not to be totally heartless or anything, but we have to keep in mind that fish also aren't people. We can give people morphine and drugs to keep them comfortable until death, but you can't do that for fish. It is better to end their suffering quickly and as painlessly as possible rather than let them die a slow death, especially if they are in pain. Personally, I think freezing isn't too inhumane. After all, even with humans the effect is that you get sleepy, close your eyes, and never open them again. I think the vodka/cloves method is also a pretty good way, since you're putting the fish to sleep. It's like euthanizing your dog when it is too far gone to help and in pain. It's far crueler to keep them alive in that condition than to let them go to sleep and not wake up.

Honestly, there really isn't a black-and-white solution to things like this. You could call it deciding which is the lesser of two evils. :(
 

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i dout they have clove oil in the wild :wink: and how do we realy know that there feeling pain? were not fish we dont no
 

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I think it has something to do with the fact that they have no nerve endings, am I right?


Another question I have is, what is this vodka method?
 

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If you think about it, fish must have nerve endings.

Otherwise they wouldn't flick against objects when they have whitespot.
 

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Swing said:
I don't think i can kill a fish even it is suffering... I'll just let the fish to be as comfortable as possible until it passed away. This is what humans do..so why not to a fish.. I think this is more humane than any method us mentioned.
Swing, the point is we should end the fish's misery as soon as possible. Fish can't stand long agony over what befells it. Hence euthanasia is recommended.:)

Becca pretty much stated everything.

Disappointing though.:( No other humane methods have been given apart from vodka/clove oil method.:(

Anyone here feels that decapitation is humane? I have stated previously that decapitation is rupturing the spine above the head to give the fish instantaneous death.

Thanks for the articles, Josh. It will certainly help us with questions involving fish feeling pains which many have argued that they don't. Now I can see why some people are opposing fishing.:roll:
 

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So sad, I hope I never have to do that....and if I do, I don't think I will be able to... :cry:
 

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So sad, I hope I never have to do that....and if I do, I don't think I will be able to... :cry:
You have to do that, Josh. This is only the way to end the fish's misery if ever it suffers a disease which you can no longer cure.:blueworry:

Some people will opposed to some methods so I'm trying to come up with more humane methods with the help of your opinions.:blueworry:
 

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I understand, but I hope I never have a fish that gets that sick!
 

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Gang,

I have come up with the final 3 methods you may reconsider if you view them as humane.

Freezing Method
The majority of sites seem to choose freezing method as humane method however the fishforum.com seems to opposed this method.
So I guess freezing method should be consider as "inhumane".

Vodka/Alcohol Method
Another site says vodka method is inhumane.:blink: This is so because it "suffocates" the fish resulting in traumatic experiences for the fish.
Agree or disagree?

Decapitation/Swift Blow on the Head
This is often considered as the most humane but this seems a rather unpleasant method especially to those who are attached to the fish, soft-hearted or beginners.
This must be done quickly to become effective without making the fish struggle in agony.
This is often avoided by a majority of aquarists as this is very difficult to perform.:blueworry:
 

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Decapitation works, if you swift and sure, which most people aren't. In most cases you end up with a fish flopping around on the table, or a bleeding mess of a fish that's still twitching. (Sorry for being so graphic.)

I would never decapitate my fish, even if the only other option would be to freeze it. Atleast freezing it won't cause the fish excruciating pain. If at all possible, though, use the clove oil and vodka method.

This can be a very touchy subject, and I know everyone has their own opinion on this. Whatever you decide to do to your fish, please make sure to do it in a humane way.
 

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Sticky thread finally updated.:)

I will close this thread now to prevent any future debates as this thread is merely to ask for your opinions on which methods we should consider humane. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.:)
 
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