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i believe it was bettababy that recommended penplax filters...i could be wrong, but there was someone on the forum that liked them. i believe that is a good deal for a 100gallon filter. petsolutions also has good prices on filters. i got my rena through them. good luck!
 

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Not meaning to thread hijack here, but I am open to any good suggestions on a better filter for my 10g tank who's role is
1. fry grow out,
2. emergency hospital, and
3. QT tank for new purchases. So something that I can "adapt" not to suck up the fry - but does a really good job of cleaning the tank.

Are internal filters better than HOB for this size tank and it's uses? If so, tell me more??? I know so little about filters in general. I have a Fluval 304 on my 55g planted livebearer, and have purchased a Fluval 405 for the new 65g cichlid tank (not set up yet) - is the 405 the best choice for the new cichlid tank? I know... that's more than one question about more than one tank!! Thanks folks!
 

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For 50 gallons or more, a canister filter is a much better choice. As for HOB, I would recomend the AC HOB for versatility and functionality.

Aquaclear 110
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If you really want to stay with an HOB then this one should work very well. The sponges are easily exchanged with ceramic rings, biochem stars or filter floss or whatever you want to put in there. Carbon isn't needed for the most part unless you need to remove medications and is only good for about 4 weeks anyway depending on tank size and bioload. In planted tanks you don't want to use it at all because it can and does remove some beneficial fertilizers from the water.
 

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fish_4_all, you mentioned that you shouldn't use charcoal in a planted tank... I have a 55g planted tank that uses a Fluval 304 WITH charcoal. Should I take the charcoal out of the filter??
I would definitely remove them. That seems to be an issue.:dunno: Dawn told me she used that in her planted tank and she has no problems with that. In fact, she seems to have problems with rapid growth of her javan ferns and javan moss. Most surprising is she doesn't use CO2 at all.:shock2:
 

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The only time I have ever seen that you need it is to remove medication. Other than that it is a waste of both time and money. You get better water clarity from simply using sponges and filter floss.

That and it is only good for about 2-6 weeks, after that it is just another mechanical filter and not a good one at that.
 

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fish_4_all said:
The only time I have ever seen that you need it is to remove medication. Other than that it is a waste of both time and money. You get better water clarity from simply using sponges and filter floss.
Agreed. Also odors and possibly yellow water.:)
 

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Well I am going to run a couple of HOB filters on my (hopeful) new tank. I got another craigslist connection and it appears I'm going to pick up a 150 gallon tank tomorrow. I am going to run two 55 gallon HOB's and would like to ask....spending under $100 on a new filter, what would you recommend?
 

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Ok, my turn... since I've been mentioned more than once in this thread. (thanks Blue)
I am a fan of SOME of the PenPlax product line, but not all. I don't care for the filter in that link, they are difficult to clean and the track record for needing replacement parts and being able to get replacement parts is not so good. If you're looking for hangon filters for a 100 gallon tank, this one is at the bottom of my list.
Instead of sizing the filter to the tank, size it to the amount of waste expected, and environment overall. Every filter has a pro and a con. I know, I've fixed almost every make and model now in some way or other. Anything I haven't, my husband has. When the first TetraTech filter hit the retail market, my boss tossed me one and my job for the day was to play with it, and give him a critique by the end of my shift. That's another filter at the bottom of my list, for many reasons.
The best hangon filters on the open market that we have available around here are, in no specific order, Penguin/Emporer, AquaClear, Whisper, Millenium. The best canister filters, again, no specific order, Eheim, Cascade, & Fluval, and the best internal/submersible are Whisper i series, Eheim, and Duetto.
This opinion is based on 9+ yrs in the retail business, meetings and training sessions with the company reps, customer complaints, and actually using them all on a regular basis, and fixing them, too.
What are you planning to keep in your tank? I will say that using carbon is something I will always advise for a beginner. It does soak waste from the water, as much as anything else. I have used carbon in a handful of tanks over the years, again, dependent on what is in the tank. If I have a "natural aquarium" running, with plants to balance fish waste, then I rely mainly on bioload. In my livebearer 55 gallon, I use it because I am often gifted with new fry, and the sudden increase in waste levels would otherwise require me to be doing endless water changes to keep things balanced. That is the tank Blue was referring to with the java moss and java fern that grow out of control all of the time. It's more a matter of what you keep and how you keep it. If you're experienced enough to really understand your water quality, the natural enviornment you are trying to create in a box, and the specifics about why things work and don't work... then I would say you would be in a position to not even have to ask about carbon. So, I say to you now, use it until you gain the experience to work safely enough without it. It can only help.
Oh, one last note... the price I saw listed on that filter, plus s&h, I could buy it for less at my local LFS.
 

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bettababy hit it pretty good. If you will have a lot of fish and a lot of plants then you will need a huge amount of filtration. No plants and only a few showcase fish and the two filters might be enough.

If it were me, I would planting it and probably heavy stock so:
If you keep both HOB, get an AC 110 HOB and a powerhead for circulation. Two AC 110 would be plenty for the tank with a powerhead for circulation and less than $100.
If you don't care about keeping them, a canister filter and 2 large powerheads for circulation.

Just a ton of options but for best advice, you plans for the tank would be very helpful. As for anything but the AC hob, I will have to leave that advice to the experts. :wink:
 

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Well for the 150 (assuming all goes well and it's not a ripoff or anything when I go to pick it up in the next couple hours....we know my luck on that lately :roll:) I am going to stock it with some messy fish. Definitely will have at least an oscar in there and later in the spring I hope to introduce a US native (bluegill, sunfish, or something to that extent...also a very messy fish). So I will need something with high filtration. Either way I'll run 1-2 of the 55 Gallon HOB's, just for added support. Having said that, is there a specific filter that one would suggest for this setup? I know everybody has their own preferences and tastes when it comes to filtration, but if YOU were going to run said setup...what would you stock with?
 

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Let me ask you to please reconsider the fish you mentioned stocking this tank with. Oscars are great, and there are a lot of compatible fish, but US natives such as bass, blue gill, sunfish, etc are NOT on that list of compatible. The native fish are COLD WATER fish, and quite nasty in temperment. They would totally destroy an oscar, regardless of size differences. Oscars are TROPICAL, need the warm water, and PEACEFUL tankmates. Most oscars are very gentle, and long ago I termed them as "gentle giants" whenever someone asked about them. In a large enough tank, they are compatible with things like angelfish, irridescent sharks, most of the knife fishes, severum, and a handful of others. Keep in mind that an oscar will reach up to 16 inches in length, and they need LOTS of room. I have 3 in a 220 gallon, and it's a full tank.
Sooooo, with that said, I'll wait to answer the filtration question until I know what route you are going to take with the fish. Oscar and something or natives?
 

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If you go with native species, go native species only and be ready to cool the water in the summer. 68-70 dergees is about as warm as they like it for any amount of time. Just a heads up, perch get to 18+ inches and 4 pounds, crappie 14 inches and 3 pounds and bluegill the size of a large dinner plate and 5 pounds so a 150 gallon might be a little small for more than 3 or 4 of any of them. Bass are not even an option for the tank, IMHO.

If you want predatory fish, there are many species that will eat live fish that are all tropical and will fit a tank like that very nicely. Angels, Other Ciclids, Archer fish, Jack Dempsy, and many others that if they are the same size can be kept with an oscar very successfully and peacefully.

As for filtration, run both of the HOB you have and get the AC 110 or a canister designed for 100 gallons or more to keep up with these pigs as you will need it.
 

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I also wouldn't mix an oscar with a jack dempsey or an archer. Archers are brackish water fish, and dempseys are much more aggressive than the oscars. I've seen these mixed with oscars, but have yet to see a good ending. With oscars the trick is large and peaceful.... dempseys are aggressive.
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like I wanted to mix them, they were alternatives to an oscar if the idea is to get carnivors for the tank.

Only fish that will stay about the same size should be considered. I have seen a Jack Dempsey, An oscar and an Arrowana get together very well in a 225 gallon tank but they were raised together from very small. Even a small Oscar with a large one is in trouble. I have also seen Oscars, Dempsey and Pirahna get along very well and actually take turns eating. But there again, they were raised together from very small sizes.

Sorry for the confusion if any. Personally, I think the smaller predatory fish would be much more exciting to watch as they are faster, more whiley and will chase the food around instead of just sitting and gulping it down.

As for those 3 fish I can only comment on the pleco as I have seen an 14" Oscar destroy an 8" pleco. The pleco could be ok if it was larger or they were raise together. As for the tigerfish (is one I would recommend instead of the Oscar) I think they would pester the Oscar to death because they are super fast and would outmanuever an Oscar, again, if raised together it may be a different story. As for the Dragon Goby, have no clue except if the Oscar can fit it in it's mouth then there's trouble. I also noticed the goby was a filter feeder in the mud so I don't know how well they would be suited in an Oscar tank. Again, I know nothing about them but might be a problem.

I think the real key here is to make sure that whatever fish you want to have together as far as predatory or not that you get them small and raise them together. After all, if a dog will raise a squirrel and a cat will raise a rat anything is possible. All you have to do is trick nature and that can be done by getting them young and raising them together.
 
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