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Ok so I'm setting up a 10 gallon planted tank with sand substrate for my Cory's and golden dojo loaches. I got a couple questions, 1) what's the best way to cycle this set up, 2) with or without the plants and 3) does bio zyme actually do anything or would it be a waist of money?
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Ok so I'm setting up a 10 gallon planted tank with sand substrate for my Cory's and golden dojo loaches. I got a couple questions, 1) what's the best way to cycle this set up, 2) with or without the plants and 3) does bio zyme actually do anything or would it be a waist of money?
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Is this your first tank? If not you can get some media from your other established tanks. If that is not an option than you could either fishless cycle (my recommendation) with pure ammonia from the hardware store (shake it, it should NOT bubble). Or you could go with fish-in cycle. I have no faith in anything from a bottle. Maybe it does add "beneficial" bacteria, but nothing ina bottle is gonna actually age your tank. Only time. I suggest doing a fishless cycle with ammonia. Takes about 4 weeks or so.
 

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Is this your first tank? If not you can get some media from your other established tanks. If that is not an option than you could either fishless cycle (my recommendation) with pure ammonia from the hardware store (shake it, it should NOT bubble). Or you could go with fish-in cycle. I have no faith in anything from a bottle. Maybe it does add "beneficial" bacteria, but nothing ina bottle is gonna actually age your tank. Only time. I suggest doing a fishless cycle with ammonia. Takes about 4 weeks or so.
It's not my first one but I have hob filters so not sure how I would go about getting the media, I am still rather new to fish keeping tho, about 5 weeks
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Is this your first tank? If not you can get some media from your other established tanks. If that is not an option than you could either fishless cycle (my recommendation) with pure ammonia from the hardware store (shake it, it should NOT bubble). Or you could go with fish-in cycle. I have no faith in anything from a bottle. Maybe it does add "beneficial" bacteria, but nothing ina bottle is gonna actually age your tank. Only time. I suggest doing a fishless cycle with ammonia. Takes about 4 weeks or so.
And also would the ammonia hurt the plants in the higher range
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Ok so I'm setting up a 10 gallon planted tank with sand substrate for my Cory's and golden dojo loaches. I got a couple questions, 1) what's the best way to cycle this set up, 2) with or without the plants and 3) does bio zyme actually do anything or would it be a waist of money?
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Depending on the plants and numbers of fish, you may be able to skip the cycle setup. Otherwise, if you are going to specifically cycle it, then I would suggest to do it without the plants.

Biozyme, if it's like others, requires you to keep adding more so it is actually a temporary ammonia oxidizing bacteria source to handle the ammonia created while cycling with fish in. The permanent cycle will take longer to get going using a temporary product.

Best is to go fishless with either the pure ammonia method or controlled fishfood additions... either way, keep the ammonia levels close to 1ppm either through addition of ammonia to that level or water changes to reduce it to that level with the food method.

Don't mess with using other media as all you do is mess with the other tank's cycle. You definitely don't need it to start anything. I did a cycle in a jar with water and fish food only... worked like a charm... full cycle in 7 days.

If you decide to add the plants and keep the ammonia near 1ppm, I doubt it will harm them at all.

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Depending on the plants and numbers of fish, you may be able to skip the cycle setup. Otherwise, if you are going to specifically cycle it, then I would suggest to do it without the plants.

Biozyme, if it's like others, requires you to keep adding more so it is actually a temporary ammonia oxidizing bacteria source to handle the ammonia created while cycling with fish in. The permanent cycle will take longer to get going using a temporary product.

Best is to go fishless with either the pure ammonia method or controlled fishfood additions... either way, keep the ammonia levels close to 1ppm either through addition of ammonia to that level or water changes to reduce it to that level with the food method.

Don't mess with using other media as all you do is mess with the other tank's cycle. You definitely don't need it to start anything. I did a cycle in a jar with water and fish food only... worked like a charm... full cycle in 7 days.

If you decide to add the plants and keep the ammonia near 1ppm, I doubt it will harm them at all.

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The bio zyme is one you add a little everyday the lady at pets barn said that's what they use in store. As far as plants go all I have is a few trimmings from my 55 gallon tank so maybe I can just put them back in that tank til the ten is cycled. And as for as using straight ammonia to cycle does it take a lot of ammonia to get the levels up? Oh the plants I have as of now are Camboda and moneywort but think wanna put some micro swords as well
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The bio zyme is one you add a little everyday the lady at pets barn said that's what they use in store. As far as plants go all I have is a few trimmings from my 55 gallon tank so maybe I can just put them back in that tank til the ten is cycled. And as for as using straight ammonia to cycle does it take a lot of ammonia to get the levels up? Oh the plants I have as of now are Camboda and moneywort but think wanna put some micro swords as well
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If you were going to add fish right away, the biozyme might work for you. If you have a mass of moneywort and cabomba that will actually do the same thing. The store will use that stuff in a new fish tank as they bring in stock as they need the extra boost to their cycle do to heavy fishloads. Their tanks must have a hard time coping with the varying loads otherwise.

If you are flexible in when you add fish you have options here. Toss in more plants than you want for now, add one species of fish, the smaller load of the two. Let stand for a few weeks, monitor the water. If ammonia creeps up add more plants, some biozyme or just change some water and use Prime. Let the plants grow and add the second batch of fish after everything has settled down, it may not do anything anyway as long as you have enough plants. Continue to monitor the water and treat as needed if needed.

The cycle will still develop in the background so you can trim out plants later if they get too out of hand.

If you need to drop in all fish at once, completely cycle with ammonia empty, then toss in plants and fish.

It won't take a lot of ammonia for a ten, a couple of ml likely but if you go too little, add more, if you go too much, change the water. You'll figure out how much you need pretty quick. Just keep it around 1ppm right through until you see the nitrites drop to zero and the nitrates start appearing.

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If you were going to add fish right away, the biozyme might work for you. If you have a mass of moneywort and cabomba that will actually do the same thing. The store will use that stuff in a new fish tank as they bring in stock as they need the extra boost to their cycle do to heavy fishloads. Their tanks must have a hard time coping with the varying loads otherwise.

If you are flexible in when you add fish you have options here. Toss in more plants than you want for now, add one species of fish, the smaller load of the two. Let stand for a few weeks, monitor the water. If ammonia creeps up add more plants, some biozyme or just change some water and use Prime. Let the plants grow and add the second batch of fish after everything has settled down, it may not do anything anyway as long as you have enough plants. Continue to monitor the water and treat as needed if needed.

The cycle will still develop in the background so you can trim out plants later if they get too out of hand.

If you need to drop in all fish at once, completely cycle with ammonia empty, then toss in plants and fish.

It won't take a lot of ammonia for a ten, a couple of ml likely but if you go too little, add more, if you go too much, change the water. You'll figure out how much you need pretty quick. Just keep it around 1ppm right through until you see the nitrites drop to zero and the nitrates start appearing.

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I'm in no real hurry to put fish in the Cory's are in my 55 right now. But the platys and Molly's are destroying my moneywort and up rooting the camboda they seem to leave the amazon sword alone. So I can let it cycle just wanted to save the plants before they destroy everything
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If you were going to add fish right away, the biozyme might work for you. If you have a mass of moneywort and cabomba that will actually do the same thing. The store will use that stuff in a new fish tank as they bring in stock as they need the extra boost to their cycle do to heavy fishloads. Their tanks must have a hard time coping with the varying loads otherwise.

If you are flexible in when you add fish you have options here. Toss in more plants than you want for now, add one species of fish, the smaller load of the two. Let stand for a few weeks, monitor the water. If ammonia creeps up add more plants, some biozyme or just change some water and use Prime. Let the plants grow and add the second batch of fish after everything has settled down, it may not do anything anyway as long as you have enough plants. Continue to monitor the water and treat as needed if needed.

The cycle will still develop in the background so you can trim out plants later if they get too out of hand.

If you need to drop in all fish at once, completely cycle with ammonia empty, then toss in plants and fish.

It won't take a lot of ammonia for a ten, a couple of ml likely but if you go too little, add more, if you go too much, change the water. You'll figure out how much you need pretty quick. Just keep it around 1ppm right through until you see the nitrites drop to zero and the nitrates start appearing.

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I checked my water parameters at lunch just for fun. My ammonia was 0 my nitrates were between 60 and 80 and nitrites were 0. Only had a few minutes so I just used a test strip, I do have a master kit but takes to long for my lunch break. Is this odd having nitrates already ? Tank hasn't been going but like 40 hrs? Or is it the bio zyme I'm seeing
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I checked my water parameters at lunch just for fun. My ammonia was 0 my nitrates were between 60 and 80 and nitrites were 0. Only had a few minutes so I just used a test strip, I do have a master kit but takes to long for my lunch break. Is this odd having nitrates already ? Tank hasn't been going but like 40 hrs? Or is it the bio zyme I'm seeing
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Don't know how you would be seeing that sort of level in that short a time. I suspect the test strip may be off. Just wait and do the liquid and see what it says.

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Don't mess with using other media as all you do is mess with the other tank's cycle. You definitely don't need it to start anything. I did a cycle in a jar with water and fish food only... worked like a charm... full cycle in 7 days.
I agree, but only because your other tank is still new. If the tank were established then you could transfer media from one filter to the other filter without messing with the donor tank's cycle.

You're not suggesting that they can establish a natural cycle in 7 days are you?
 

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Don't know how you would be seeing that sort of level in that short a time. I suspect the test strip may be off. Just wait and do the liquid and see what it says.

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Ya I'm gonna do the liquid when I get home. I am using a filter that was previously used but its been a long time since its been used. Is there anyway the BB could still be alive I figured since it dried out it all died
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I agree, but only because your other tank is still new. If the tank were established then you could transfer media from one filter to the other filter without messing with the donor tank's cycle.

You're not suggesting that they can establish a natural cycle in 7 days are you?
I definitely don't wanna mess up the cycle on the other tank it's still pretty new so probably a bad idea huh?
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Don't know how you would be seeing that sort of level in that short a time. I suspect the test strip may be off. Just wait and do the liquid and see what it says.

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Ok so just tested with API master kit it says ammo 0.25 nitrite is 0 and nitrate is I'd say 2.5
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Ok so just tested with API master kit it says ammo 0.25 nitrite is 0 and nitrate is I'd say 2.5
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That's more like it. Shows how far off strips can be, for those naysayers who say there is no proof that the strips can be inaccurate...

I agree, but only because your other tank is still new. If the tank were established then you could transfer media from one filter to the other filter without messing with the donor tank's cycle.

You're not suggesting that they can establish a natural cycle in 7 days are you?
Slightly out of context alert!

Don't mess with using other media as all you do is mess with the other tank's cycle. You definitely don't need it to start anything. I did a cycle in a jar with water and fish food only... worked like a charm... full cycle in 7 days.
I'm stating that I have cycled a "tank" with only water, some ammonia source and a container, nothing else is needed to start or establish a cycle and that I managed to establish a full cycle in 7 days... the omission was that it was in a jar that is in the 0.13 gallon range... I am curious to see if I can duplicate it on a larger scale but I have yet to suggest that this timeline can be duplicated in an aquarium.

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Yes... but now you have me curious enough to try it. Not specifically in an aquarium but in a large container perhaps with a sand bottom. I expect it will take a few more days but I don't think that it will take as long as seems typical... we'll see if I get around to it.

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Yes... but now you have me curious enough to try it. Not specifically in an aquarium but in a large container perhaps with a sand bottom. I expect it will take a few more days but I don't think that it will take as long as seems typical... we'll see if I get around to it.

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Ok guys now I really need some help. Is mold on the substrate a good thing? It can't possibly be good right?
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Ok guys now I really need some help. Is mold on the substrate a good thing? It can't possibly be good right?
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Pictures? Maybe its algae?

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