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Hello,

I have a 29 gallon tank. We set it up about 5 weeks ago, letting it sit for 24 hours filtering out without any fish in the tank. When we added fish (very exciting :D ) We were told to add hardy fish see how they do and then we can add more. Fine. We added 2 platy's, 3 blood fin tetras, 1 little Fleming crab and a blue crayfish. Weeks passed and our tank was holding up fine. Cloudy but soon cleared. Sadly the crab lost some legs, I'm guessing the crayfishes doing. The crab disappeared. Only to be found again sprouting little stubs for legs. Our tank started to get a bit cloudy again so we did a water change. It was about 4 weeks into first setting up. We added some more fish. Figuring it's been 5 weeks, and all our fish were alive, things were good. We added 2 med/large tiger barbs, 1 baby barb, 2 plecos(love those guys) 2 guramies(sp?) and 2 sliver iridescent sharks. After adding the fish our tank got REALLY cloudy. We did the PH test it was 6.0 and the Ammonia was 1.0 :shock: Dh keeps putting PH up and Ammo-lock, but nothing is working and yesterday we lost the platy, gurami, and baby barb :(
This is really depressing and please forgive for my lack of knowledge. What am I doing wrong? How can I fix this? I have grown close to our tank and all the little residents in it. I wake each day hoping for no floaters :( . My take is still very cloudy. My crayfish has shed her skin. I know I am suppose to leave it in the tank. That's another post *sigh* :blueworry:




Any help you guys can provide will be greatly appreciated.


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Sorry, forgot to add that i have plastic plants, a whisper filter. Came with free food Tetra food which I have been using, feeding once a day, which I have cut back on amount. The crayfish has been getting frozen peas or sinking pellets.


thanks again.

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Too many fish from the get-go. Almost all newbies do that. (not using the term in a derogatory manor)

You need to put one or two hardy fish in and after about two months you can start to slowly stock the tank. Putting too many fish in at once throws a huge bioload at your bacteria, which is extremely bad when there is no bacteria.

Search for a guide to properly cycling your tank.

I believe there is one stickied in this forum.

At this point you should take some of the fish back to your LFS (local fish store). I'm not the best person to advise on which fish you should keep, but I do know that there are too many. I'm not sure if crustaceans are as susceptible to ammonia and nitrite as fish, but pending the further advice of others I'd think (in my uneducated opinion) you could keep them in there.
 

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Razor, can I ask what is the proper amount of fish to have in a 29 gallon tank? We like small to smallish med size fish. Hate that this is happening. So, I should take some fish back? How many? What about the tank? Do another change once some fish are gone? TIA!


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Well, it is REALLY hard to say how many fish in a 29 gallon because they are all different with different requirements.
There is a basic "newbie" rule of thumb that you can go by until you gain more knowledge.

1. Find out the max adult size of the fish that you want.
2. If the fish will stay under 3 inches, it is a gallon per inch (AT ADULT SIZE)
3. If the fish you have chosen will get between 3 to 6 inches it is 2 gallons per inch (again at adult size)
4. If the fish you have chosen get bigger than 6 inches at adult size, for- get them for the time being since your tank will be too small for any diversity at that point and you may end up with disaster.
So, for example, if you choose guppies, their adult size is two inches, in a 29 gallon you could have 14 guppies.
IF you want diversity, just grab a calculator or a pad of paper and a pen, and try out different scenarios before you stock.
WARNING
This rule DOES NOT APPLY TO PLECOS OR GOLDFISH OR ANY FISH THAT GROWS OVER 6 inches!!!!!>>THEY ARE VERY MESSY and require much more water volume per fish to keep them healthy.]

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" 2 platy's, 3 blood fin tetras, 1 little Fleming crab and a blue crayfish. We added 2 med/large tiger barbs, 1 baby barb, 2 plecos(love those guys) 2 guramies(sp?) and 2 sliver iridescent sharks. and yesterday we lost the platy, gurami, and baby barb"

So, let's see, you still have
1 platy
3 Tetras (do better in a school of five or more)
1 crab (eats whatever fish it can catch)
1 crayfish (needs 10 gallons to itself and will eat fish...oh, and leave the exoskeleton in the tank)
2 Tiger Barbs (need to be in a group of five or more or they will torture your other fish.)
1 Gourami (hmmm. Since I am not fond of these, I know very little...sorry)
2 Irr. sharks (wait, don't these guys get a FOOT LONG????)
2 plecs (which kind? Mine are 12 and 11 inches each)

WOW.

Sounds like your LFS is just in it for the money. I am TRULY sorry.

Personally, I wouldn't keep anything but the tetras and I would get more of those. Unless the plecs are something small like a Rubberlip or ABN...then i would keep the Tetras and plecs, oh and the platy's harmless.

Nothing else....

Then I would re-assess the situation.
 

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Alexis, thanks.

So, it's not looking good for my current fish :cry: Do you guys suggest I do another fish change once I downsize on fish? When I had the crayfish, crab 2 little platies and 3 ittybitty bloodfin tetras my tank looked so bare. Like the way the tiger barbs livened up the place. However was told by petstore that I could only get hardy fish hence the bloodfin and platies.



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Alexis, thank you so much. Really, (think we were posting at the same time). I am going to have to really think about this. Just a quick question. Let's say I keep the tetra's, I would have to wait 2 months before adding more? If my tetras are still alive, I would have to work around them, right? I am going to search this site. I appreciate your info and feedback! Really helps. I have no idea what kind of plecos I have (your plecos are huge!). One is a lot smaller and lighter then the other. Maybe I can get a picture on here...


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I would advise you to wait until your tank is fully cycled before adding any fish. This usually means giving all your fish back and starting over from scratch, or keeping a SMALL number of what you have, and working from there, hoping that they survive the cycling process. If you start over, I would suggest you get some guppies or zebra danios, they are really hardy fish...and I only mean get 2 or 3 of one, not each.

Do you have a test kit for Nitrite and Nitrate? It is important to have one. When the tank is cycling your fish give off ammonia as waste, and that's when the first string of bacteria begin to form. This bacteria then converts the waste into nitrites which is less harmful, but still toxic to the fish. Finally the nitrite is converted into nitrate, and this you want to keep under 40. Get a liquid test kit over the strips, they are more accurate. Test often, like before each water change, so you know what is going on in the tank. It is key to test frequently during the cycling process of your tank. You will know when it is about finished cycling when your Ammonia are 0, Nitrites are 0, and Nitrates are under 40.

You seem to only be doing water changes when something happens in your tank. They should be routine, and I cannot stress that enough. Take out on avergae 10-20 percent weekly, or 25% every couple weeks. This will ensure high water quality. Don't forget to vacuume the gravel too. How much are you changing?

Are you dechlorinating your water before you add it to the tank? This is also a very important thing to do. You can buy products like Tetra Aquasafe that work great.
 

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Joute, thanks for input. I have to get a test kit for Nitrite and Nitrate. I am using a siphon for water changes. God, I have to ask DH if he added the Aquasafe.

Thanks for being so patient with me. :oops:
 

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Squidword said:
Alexis, thanks.

So, it's not looking good for my current fish :cry: Do you guys suggest I do another fish change once I downsize on fish? When I had the crayfish, crab 2 little platies and 3 ittybitty bloodfin tetras my tank looked so bare. Like the way the tiger barbs livened up the place. However was told by petstore that I could only get hardy fish hence the bloodfin and platies.Julia
Your tank may look bare, but remember, with proper care, most fish grow FAST. Plants, driftwood, and cave areas really help as well.
There woul really be nothing wrong with a nice school of tetras and some more platies and maybe a reverse trio of guppies...just one of MANY possibilities. As long as you follow some version of that "rule of thumb" I gave you, you'll be fine.
 

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Squidword said:
Alexis, thank you so much. Really, (think we were posting at the same time). I am going to have to really think about this. Just a quick question. Let's say I keep the tetra's, I would have to wait 2 months before adding more? If my tetras are still alive, I would have to work around them, right? I am going to search this site. I appreciate your info and feedback! Really helps. I have no idea what kind of plecos I have (your plecos are huge!). One is a lot smaller and lighter then the other. Maybe I can get a picture on here...


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You should get a liquid master test kit, then the test kit will tell you when you are fully cycled. Then you can slowly add fish. Using the rule of thumb of course.
Ammonia 0
NitrITE 0
Nitrates some readable level.

And my plecos aren't huge, just normal. :D
 

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My LFS does the same things.

I did want to add something about cycling and adding fish. There are a couple things you could have done that would have added some stability to the tank with early adding of a heavy bioload. The first and easiest is to add lots of plants right off the bat. The plants will use the ammonia and decrease the amount you will ever see in a new or even established tank. The second could have been a heavy seeded fishless cycle. This is not a tactic for the beginner though. I have seen some that seed the tank with 1 medium peeled prawn per 10 gallons and on top of that they add 1-2tbsp of ammonia each day. The tanks thya do this to are 55 or larger and ones that they intend on adding fish like arrowana, large oscars and large angels. It builds a massive amount of beneficial bacteria to support such a large fish.

I do think that you ight have added fish a little early but I don't know how you seeded the tank or cycled it. I hope thishelps for your next tank and remeber that the best way to get a tank going quickly is to use old filter media from an established, 6 month old at least , tank and use as much as you can including gravel, filter material, ornaments and plants. This doesn't remove the needs to let the tank cycle but it can speed it up significantly.

Now for the fish you have, get some fast growing plants like anacharis/elodea, hornwort, Wisteria, duckweed or any plant to get the tank balanced a little better. It will help the fish to be happier and get rid of the excess ammonia until the tnak is completely cycled and well established. I would keep the plants even after the cycle is complete though.

Oh and my HOB on plecos. If youoverfeed them they are very messy. When I don't overfeed mine they don't make much of a mess at all. That ebing said, it is really hard not to overfeed them becausethey will eat as fast as they can poop at times but they need the vegetable matter to be happy. A good cleanup crew that likes vegetive matter is a good choice if you have any pleco.
 

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Fish 4 All, great advice and tips! I wrote down the plants that you recommended. Thanks again for the reply!
 

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Also, some of your fish are might snack on some plants. I didn't realize this until now but you might want to stick with wider leaf plants and skip the anacharis and hornwort or the fish could make a huge mess out of them.

Wisteria should still work as well as anubias, crypts, and others but right now I would still get some anacharis until your tank is better balanced and your cycle has completed.
 

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The inch per fish per gallon is only good for clean water conditions not for good fish conditions. Moreover, if you have teritorial fish this wont work. But your fish dont have teritorial problems (maybe the tiger barbs). Also when considering top, mid, or bottom fish make sure aggression and speed are consistant ie a molly wont mix well with a tiger especially in a smaller tank. a 29 gal is also sometimes confusing because it is basically the same as a 20 long as far as your fish are conserned. Your plecos may be small but here is an example i bought a 2 inch pleco and in less than a year he grew to 11 inches (55 gal) If they are common florida plecos that is, a bristlenose and a few others will grow alot slower.

for a beginner:
danios or barbs make a good start for yeah month or two. (say 3 tops 5)
if desire algae go with a chinese green algae eater
bottom cory cats (like to school as well and many kinds Rare but cool are orange stripped)
a couple striata locahes or other small would work too (not clown or large though)
then pick 2 cool ones you really like groumies or what ever.
just an opinon to help though.

Personally i would go with a colony of cichlid shell dwellers 2 male to 3 female. a couple cory cats and maybe a group of barbs.

Hope it goes well for you. :)
 

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jlynch76, thank you. I have to show dh your list. I like the set up you have provided. Interesting that a 29 gallon is like a 20 long.


Thanks again!
 
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