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Need advise. Is CO2 really a necessity to keep the plants healthy? Not sure if the organic carbon thingy is available here in phils. Anyways, I currently have 3 plants (amazon, one with like the pines :), the other one a red one) - sorry don't know the names, and am planning to put in 3 more in the background, 3 in mid, and a few hairgrass in front, all in a 15g.
I saw some diy CO2, and was wondering if I really need all that. Will of course do this after the tank has cycled, and will of course get those Ph testers.
 

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Hi Dahcmed.:wave:

Sorry about not discussing on CO2 but I'll give you a warning on those plant suppliers. Some lfs tend to sell those "pine" plants which in fact, aren't true aquatic plants, but terrestial plants.

I had them 4 years ago and started rotting in a few months. I was puzzled why that plant is not in my aquarium books until I realized I had been ripped off my cash for fake aquatic plants.

This is just a warning so you won't waste money unnecessarily.:)

If you live in Manila, I'd forget the Cartimar in Pasay. Not worth it especially when the animals sold there are not of good quality. Rather they are mostly susceptible to illnesses. The plants they sell vary widely but I'd be more careful with the plants I try to select.:)

Oh and neither do I use CO2.:wink2: My Nymphaea stellata is still growing like crazy. No ferts and CO2. Just a daylight tube of 6200 kelvins.
 

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Hi dahcmed, if I were you I would wait and see how the plants do without Co2. I have two fairly heavily planted tanks and have never used anything except for plant fertiliser. :)
 

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Thanks for the advise.

I really thought those pine plants are aquatic, they have a bunch of them displayed in Cartimar. Some people will sell anything to make money :(

Glad to know CO2 is not a necessity. I really want to have a heavily planted tank but without additional equipments hanging. :)

Hey Blue, where do you get your stuff. I'm from Cavite, and I couldn't find a decent shop here or haven't found it yet, so I drive all the way to Cartimar to buy my stuff. I've been through several shops and they don't even have those test kits.
 

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Hey Blue, where do you get your stuff. I'm from Cavite, and I couldn't find a decent shop here or haven't found it yet, so I drive all the way to Cartimar to buy my stuff. I've been through several shops and they don't even have those test kits.
I live in Iloilo so I can't help you further on which lfs to shop with.

As for the plants from Cartimar, shops there are unscrupulous. I'm not surprised either that the UK citizens have problems with buying Dracaena plants in their lfs unknown of its true identity.:dunno:
If you want to buy more plants, pls research first on that before attempting to buy them. A lot of lfs will obviously not bat an eyelid to help you out. They will instead proceed to get plastic bags and get the plants you want.

Believe me, dahcmed, one lfs in Cartimar tried to sold me 20 sick neons when I request to get some in the other tank which isn't under disease outbreak. The ladies there insisted that those are "healthy". I had to argue with them and left their shop in haste as I can't take the argument anymore.:roll:
 

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Ok. Thanks. I guess I have to settle with the pricey BioR*** shop, better sure than ripped :x

I'm pulling that plant out tomorrow when I get home from the office, it's just using my CO2 "unnecessarily" :)

Thanks a lot for the warning!
 

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Ok. Thanks. I guess I have to settle with the pricey BioR*** shop, better sure than ripped :x

I'm pulling that plant out tomorrow when I get home from the office, it's just using my CO2 "unnecessarily" :)

Thanks a lot for the warning!
You're welcome, dahcmed.:)
Would love to see the pic of your red plant. Sounds like Nymphaea stellata or Rotala macrandra to me.:)
 

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dahcmed, I'm aware that you will not be able to order from this website as it is uk based, but this is where I get all of my plants.

I'm giving you the link because it has a plant catalogue which may help give you an idea of the sort of thing you are looking for.

Hope it helps :)

http://www.aquaticplants.eu.com/index.html
 

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Well, I googled the names you just wrote :), and it's closer to rotala, but not really. I think it's another fake :(. It's not doing good either, actually it wasn't doing good when I got it, but it was the only red I saw :D, I'd probably pull it out as well. Now, down to 1, I'm sure this one really looks like an amazon sword :)
 

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Well, I googled the names you just wrote :), and it's closer to rotala, but not really. I think it's another fake :(. It's not doing good either, actually it wasn't doing good when I got it, but it was the only red I saw :D, I'd probably pull it out as well. Now, down to 1, I'm sure this one really looks like an amazon sword :)
Echinodorus bleherii to be exact.:thumbsup: They're easy to grow. I doubt mine will last long though as I have an ancistrus plec which loves to eat plants. She hasn't touch my Nymphaea stellata so I guess that plant is safe.:mrgreen:

P.S. I'll try to gather as much pics of red plants as possible so hang in there until I got them posted tonight.:)
 

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Nymphaea stellata

Rotala macrandra

Ludwigia sp. red

Ludwigia repens

Red Cabomba


I guess that sums it up.:thumbsup:
 

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Blue,
It's not in there :( The stems are also a bit squishy already.
That's what I experienced on the rotalas I bought from Cartimar.:roll:
Dahcmed, your plant sounds more like Rotala macrandra.

Oh, and pls answer the pm.:)
 

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Ok. The amazon is showing some browning (not sure if it is because of the bad water condition: ph 7.5, ammonia 0, no nitrite and nitrate testers :(

I want to create a DIY CO2, but am afraid it would lower the ph, that it might affect the molly. I have gold mollies and ribbon guppy. I know the mollies ph is 7.5 - 8, and current ph is 7.5.

And if in case, how do I get the pH up?
 

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if your water is hard you wont have a problem with a home made reactor- the harder the water the more CO2 it will takt to lower the PH, if your fish start gasping you know you have too much water.
You can use KH buffers to increase hardness, or Ph buffers to raise/lower ph.
 

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Plants grow faster with CO2, normally with the addition with high watt lights and maybe additional fertilizers. But they can grow without adding CO2. WC (water changes) normally contain CO2. You can normally verify by filling a container with water from your tap and checking the pH. Then check the pH after a day or so. If there's a slight change in pH, then there's a possibility that your water contains CO2. The pH change signifies the CO2 gassing off.
 
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