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Hey guys.. My 55g has been cycling for like 2-3 weeks now.. I used filters from my 27g and my 30g behind the penguin 350 filters and I kept squeezing the other filters from those 2 tanks in the 55g to help cycle it faster..

Well my ammonia was like 4ppm for 2 weeks I kept doing 50% water changes but now it has been 0 for 3-4 days now.. My nitrites were around 2-5ppm for a few days but I changed the water 2 days ago and its been sitting at 0.50ppm for 2 days now, and my nitrates are around 10ppm

Anyway back to my original question.. Can I put fish in the tank now ? The tank is heavily planted as well, it has 3 Big wisteria in it, a giant water sprite and medium water sprite, it has 2 smaller java ferns, and red nesaea, it also has 4-5 6 inch amazon swords lining the back.. I also have Red Combomba, and a moneywart..

I want to put 2 of my big dwarf gourami's from my 30g in there, and I also want to put 4 of the Gold barbs from the 30 in the 55 as well. (They aren't adult sized yet maybe about 1 inch long) I also have 2 small angle fish in my 27g that I have been holding waiting for the 55g... But angle's are kinda sensitive so I will wait till the nitrites are 0..

Anyway can I add these 6 fish to the tank with my nitrites at 0.50PPM ? I'll test the water everyday to make sure they don't jump high if they do ill just do a 50% water change again and use prime.
 

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I'm confused. Where was the ammonia coming from? If you were doing a fishless cycle than why were you doing water changes?
 

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i was putting food in the tank and i have two fish in it.. A ram cichlid. And a clown loach.. Both are still in it doing fine
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Just going to quickly mention that a clown loach needs a group and a larger tank, before I answer your question. Don't move the other fish. The bacteria in your 55 can't handle the bioload of the two fish you have in there now as evidenced by the fact that there are nitrites. Adding more fish isn't going to help, since you're not cycled and have two species that require pretty pristine water. Keep the fish where they are for now, don't move them to the bigger tank yet and please don't put them in the parking lot.
 

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thanks but i dont care what the loach 'needs' and a 55g is plenty big enough for it... What makes you think a 48 inch long and 21 ich tall isnt big enough ??
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A 55g is not plenty big enough for a clown loach. It may seem like that to you, but scientist have researched and tested and based on activity levels, the need for a school, and their adult size (ranging from 12 inches to 16 inches, quite large) these fish absolutely must have a tank at least 6 feet long, else they will perish prematurely, but not before possibly attacking other tankmates out of frustration or contracting an illness due to the improper conditions.

As to your main question, your tank is not yet cycled. Nitrites are just as dangerous as ammonia, and adding more fish will just "over load" the bacteria and send you crashing back to the start with more ammonia and higher nitrites. Your fish combination also will not work. Gourami and angles are prone to fighting, I'd recommend only moving the angels into that tank and adding more to their school. But this also depends on what you're going to do with the Ram and the Clown loach.
 

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thanks but i dont care what the loach 'needs' and a 55g is plenty big enough for it... What makes you think a 48 inch long and 21 ich tall isnt big enough ??
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He's probably seen a full grown one.....

It's your tank, so you can do anything you want with it. Should you add new fish when the water quality is not solid? No, absolutely not. But you added fish to the uncycled tank so that's probably not something you are overly concerned with, so I wonder why you are even asking... You made a good case for why you should add them. However, the only thing that matters is having 0 ammonia and nitrite.

By the way.... a 55 gallon is not a large tank. A full size clown loach is longer than the tank is wide, so what makes you think that that is big enough??
 

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If the tank is heavily planted then the plants should protect the fish from the cycle by taking up ammonia in their processes. You can also use Prime to neutralize Ammonia and NitrItes in a tank cycle.
If you are unsure then wait a few more days to get a zero on the nitrItes.
Loaches are highly social and need bigger groups do they not? 5-6 for Clown. Also they grow to a foot long and need a 100 gallon tank. It is everyone's goal here at TFK to help other members create the best environment for their fish. BWG is offering information in case you are unaware.
 
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It dawned on me that perhaps you haven't seen a large clown loach.

That's an 8 foot tank - twice as long and twice as wide - at least 4 times the volume of your tank.

 

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Just out of curiosity if you don't care about the fishes well being then way are you here asking for help??? It is your tank and I suppose you can do what you want right or wrong. Keeping a fish that can get 12+ inches in a tank that's only 12" wide is wrong any way you look at it!
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He was but he was also being a real smarty pants talking about me putting them in the parking lot based on my other post when I had fish infested with ich from my LFS they wouldn't give me my money back or return them and I wasn't about to put them back in my tank so I tossed them.. Honestly if you wanna be a smary pants your going to get a smarty pants response back, Im not some little kid you can just do that too..

Also I didn't not care about putting fish in the tank it was my mom who went to the store and tossed them in there.. she also fished the gauramis and the 4 gold barbs from her 30g and tossed them in there too when I was at work at the fire station... I managed to fish all them out and put them back into her tank but the clown loach and the ram I couldn't catch as they were way too fast. And I have a huge 3 foot long piece of driftwood in the tank that has lots of hiding places and in order to get them I would have had to tear the whole tank up so I left them in there and just add'd 2x the dose of prime and did 50-70% water changes for 2 weeks almost every day.. That's why I also have 2 angle fish in my 27g hexagon.. she bought them and tossed them in the 55g I had to fish them out... SHE WONT listen... its so frustrating

Also I have had loaches in my 27g hex and my 30g long tank for years I have never seen them get 6-10 inch long.. The biggest I have ever seen them get was maybe 3-4 inches.. Me personally I told her not to get that fish because I was going to add nerite snails in the tank.... But like when she tossed all them in the tank she never listens to me and when I try to explain to her about cycling a tank it literally goes in one ear and out the other.. I guess I'll wait for the nitrites to drop down to 0.. They aren't going up anymore so its catching up quickly.. I just want these fish out my other 2 tanks.. They are heavily overloaded with 6-8 extra fish specially them being big fish
 

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He was but he was also being a real smarty pants talking about me putting them in the parking lot based on my other post when I had fish infested with ich from my LFS they wouldn't give me my money back or return them and I wasn't about to put them back in my tank so I tossed them.. Honestly if you wanna be a smarty pants your going to get a smarty pants response back, Im not some little kid you can just do that too..

Also I didn't not care about putting fish in the tank it was my mom who went to the store and tossed them in there.. she also fished the gauramis and the 4 gold barbs from her 30g and tossed them in there too when I was at work at the fire station... I managed to fish all them out and put them back into her tank but the clown loach and the ram I couldn't catch as they were way too fast. And I have a huge 3 foot long piece of driftwood in the tank that has lots of hiding places and in order to get them I would have had to tear the whole tank up so I left them in there and just add'd 2x the dose of prime and did 50-70% water changes for 2 weeks almost every day.. That's why I also have 2 angle fish in my 27g hexagon.. she bought them and tossed them in the 55g I had to fish them out... SHE WONT listen... its so frustrating

Also I have had loaches in my 27g hex and my 30g long tank for years I have never seen them get 6-10 inch long.. The biggest I have ever seen them get was maybe 3-4 inches.. Me personally I told her not to get that fish because I was going to add nerite snails in the tank.... But like when she tossed all them in the tank she never listens to me and when I try to explain to her about cycling a tank it literally goes in one ear and out the other
We've all said things that we wish people wouldn't remember, but if you left fish in a parking lot and told people about it, then people are going to remember that. That's just the way it is. Kid or not. Ich is SOOOOO easy to cure. If the store had a fish that I wanted and it had ich, I would still buy it. However, in order for it to be easy to cure, you have to learn to cure it..... which you can't do by tossing the fish. Too, if the tank you put these fish in wasn't cycled, then you ought to take responsibility rather than place blame on the store.

Even fast fish slow down considerably when you remove the water from the tank. For future reference.

I used to have a 30 hex, which had about a 22 inch diameter so your 27 is probably smaller than that. And a 30 long is 36 inches long if I am not mistaken. It's not a surprise that your fish never attained their full size living their life in tanks that were ridiculously too small.

You can take offense if you want to - I really don't care about massaging or hurting your feeling. I'm just calling it as I see it from a neutral position.
 
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You will find that this forum is full of people who cares deeply about their fish. Tossing your sick fish on the side-walk simply because you paid for it and were refused a refund is completely uneccessary and bragging about it does nothing more than to incite anger from people reading your post. This thread will now be closed to prevent further arguments.
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