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so in reading on other sites.... many do not favor this fish...

im wondering what do you all think
 

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Well, I don't. I don't see why we need blood parrots circulating in our hobby. There are several reasons why we abhor the presence of blood parrots.

1. Disease vulnerability. They are often one of the victims commonly dyed. Take note that dyeing can affect their health and even endanger other fish. Lymphocystis, a viral disease often has been found among dyed fish. This disease alone cannot be cured or almost impossible to cure.

2. Injection. We all know there is a method used to dye fish. Mnay people believe that fish do not feel the pain but some sites began finding evidences and it was found out in scientific researches that fish can also feel pain as much as humans do. Some people are now using commercial ink products to dye fish.:shake:

3. Dipping. Another method used. This is also painful. Fish is dipped in acid solution to remove the slime coat and then dipped in dye or food colouring. The dye becomes trapped under the epidermis.

Removal of epidermis and injection method brings the fish to a higher chance of vulnerability to skin diseases because the slime coat is removed. Slime coat serves as protection against protozoa, parasites and the like.

4. Tail piercing. You often see parrots without tails in pet shops. Not everyone even the beginners knew what the fish had gone through. Many people believe they simply mutated so fry don't have tails. The truth: Manufacturers often cut the tails which in my opinion is quite brutal. Fish as mentioned in no. 2 can feel the pain yet again.

5. Diminishing pure strains. Many people believe that hybrids often bring fortune and luck which is why business owners often see the need to increase production of hybrids and eventually convinced even uninformed new hobbyists that these fish are supposed to bring luck to your homes. Things happen by coincidences, not purely by beliefs as others think.

Also, the more we advocate hybridization, several pure strains of fish often are lost. There aren't many platies today that aren't aggressive. I have seen several platies showing belligerence that purely platies do not and are oddly large for their actual size. Only the swordtails would have shown such aggression and not the platies. This is one of a few examples.

6. Mouth functions. Several parrots are deformed and most cannot even close their mouths well thus they starve to death. Another reason why we should not advocate hybridization aside from dyeing.

Furthermore, the dye is not permanent and will wear off as time passes. I do not believe they are permanently dyed.
 

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i was at a store and they had black ones.... is this an ink variation or a natural appearance?
 

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Do they appear black on the whole? I have not seen black parrots. Parrots are often white(jellybean parrots usually are) or pink/orange(slight) in coloration.
 

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they were completely black. there were 2 pale orange ones in the tank with them which i assumed to be closer to original color but the black had me curious.
 

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It can happen but I've never seen in other forums black parrots.

Any chance of getting pictures of the black ones?:)
 

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Blue said:
It can happen but I've never seen in other forums black parrots.

Any chance of getting pictures of the black ones?:)
if i ever get down that way. ill try to snap one for you. it was about 1.5 inches and solid black. there was one that looked like a tiger oscar with black and orange ...'calico' style.
 

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it cant be a natural colour, because they arent natural fish.
i personally hate them and see no reason for us to fiddle around with nature, when there are hundreds of georgeous medium cichlids with a bit of aggression and character. salvini, cryptoheros sajica, thorichthys ellioti to name but a few.
 

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Parrots are another weak attempt by man to play God for the sake of a dollar.
Selective breeding does have its benefits, but genetic engineering and intentional cross-breeding should be left alone.
 

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I don't know if I like them or not...but I have no problem with them.

I do have a problem with dyed fish though - but that's a separate issue.

Blood parrots eat quite well...the mouth 'deformity' doesn't seem to affect getting nourishment.

The spinal 'deformity' doesn't slow them down either...they swim just fine...

They're long-lived and from all accounts...personable...

And so what that they're hybrids? That's actually a good thing...they can't reproduce on their own. They're like mules. As long as they're being sold as pets I don't see an issue. I prefer the breeding of pet fish to the capture of pet fish from the wild...that's what we should be more concerned about.
 

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carpy said:
it cant be a natural colour, because they arent natural fish.
i know this. that they arent natural fish. but i was more referring to the coloring being closer to the parent fish.



a majority of people seem to "Hate" this fish.

now for my personal opinion: i do not believe in the dying of fish. i think that it is a travesty to the fish and hobby.

but here is a problem i see with the logic of many arguments that ive read. many people are dead against the dying of fish. so they hate the fish. last i checked a fish cannot hold a needle and dye itself. dont hate the fish, as hideous as they may be when dyed, hate the people who brought that type of deal to market.

what is the big deal with them being a 'hybrid'? i think its kinda sad to hate a fish for something such as this. they are fascinating fish to watch. very playful and amusing.


BTW - RUE, well put.
 

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i cant speak for anyone else obviously but i think that when people say they hate the fish, they mean that they hate that the fish has been so unfortunate as to have been created. this is my opinion as for the dyed fish, parrots on their own (undyed) i know very little about so cant say what i think of them.

like i said i know little about them but if its true that they are being bred to have deformities and not be able to function properly then the issue is again not with the fish - the fish may be lovely. but by buying them you are "encouraging" the trade.

with dyed fish it is the same. no, the cannot pick up a needle and dye themselves, but buying them, though it is not their fault, only enables more fish to suffer the same ordeal. it is just such a shame that this has happened to these fish, and such a shame that there is no long term solution for these individuals as buying them and caring for them will only make it wore long term, and not buying and caring for them leaves them in pet stores that likely dont care about them, otherwise they wouldnt be selling dyed fish in the first place
 

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i was given one a while back a first gen fish(origonal crossbreed not 2 "blood parrots") i wasn't to taken with it to start they do have a personality but this could easily be the character of its parent fish it had to go in the end it was just so unbeliveibly destructive my favorite aquatic center(maidenhead aquatics) wont stock them and in fact wont even stock some of the odd goldfish strains
 

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juliewiegand said:
with dyed fish it is the same. no, the cannot pick up a needle and dye themselves, but buying them, though it is not their fault, only enables more fish to suffer the same ordeal.
Promoting the business of dyeing more like.:shake:
 
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