Tropical Fish Keeping banner

1 - 20 of 35 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Hello from Australia

i have owned a smaller fish tank about 8-9 years ago just a small 2 foot tank basic stuff like air pump filter had about 15-20 gold fish so now recently bought what i call a large tank with the following details

Size: 1498 x 477 x 1450mm (with cabinet)

Capacity: 360L

Thickness Of Glass: 10mm

Aluminium Alloy Hood

6 Illuminator Light Included 4 x 24W and 2 x 39W

Filter Pump Included HQJ-900G 12W 900L/h

for the moment i will be putting in a few gold fish or some other type of cheap cold fresh water fish im in australia does anyone have an idea on fish? i have read about the new tank syndrome im guessing i will need some type of chemicals? the tank is mainly for a side hobby and for my neice and nephews to come over and feed the fish from time to time after 4-6 weeks of running the tank with cold water fish i plan on upgrading the tank to a tropical tank so i can keep some exoctic fish any help here would be appreciated i need something easy to look after and i also need some help on what i will need to turn it into a basic tropical tank so far im thinking just a heater?
thanks for any replys its much appreciated :wink:

 

·
Registered
Joined
·
620 Posts
Hi and welcome :D Thats a pretty darn big tank you got there...Awesome!
Well first things first you need to cycle the tank. The goldfish can do that for yeah assuming your going the fish cycling way...What cycling the tank pretyt much is is that when fish poop it turns into AMMONIA which is very very bad and kills the fish. After a while bacteria starts to accumlate into colonies in your tank and after a little while it eats the ammonia. Then then ammonia turns into NITRITE, which is still VERY bad for your fish and will kill them. which after a little while the bacteria eats that too and then turns into NITRATE which is not very toxic at all to your fish. Your stats should be
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
NItrate under 40

Basic components for tropical tank is a suitable heater, filter, desired air pumps etc...

You wont need the heater for the goldfish as they are coldwater. We can help you as you go along with ANY questions you may have :D I just covered only a few of the things needed and needed to do to start an aquarium. Obstacles after cycling are choosing what fish are compatable and right for your tank and other tankmates. Be sure to include pics along the way :D
hope this helps

nick
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13,248 Posts
Hi and welcome aboard, Gazza.:wave:

Sorry if I may have misunderstood you. But did you say you'll keep tropical fish? If so, goldfish aren't really tropicals and won't need the heater. They are coldwater(more of temperate) fish.

There is still a debate over the use of the chemical "Cycle" so this cannot be verified if it can be used or not. The only chemical I'd use is dechlorinator to eliminate chlorine and chloramine(depending on the conditioner used). There are cheaper alternatives to eliminating chlorine but won't eliminate chloramine. Leave the water standing in the pail for 24 hours and the chlorine should dissipate. Chlorine is a gas so this is easy to remove. Chloramine however cannot be removed. You'll need conditioners which can effectively remove it.

Consider adding fish only after your tank has cycled. What fish are you planning to keep? There are fish with certain requirements which you'll need to research. Try to post a list of your choices and we'll sort them out for you.:) Some fish thrive in higher temps and will often become vulnerable to diseases when kept in lower temps.

Don't hesitate to ask more questions.:)

Good luck.:thumbsup:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
thanks for the replys :) i picked up the fish tank today damn its bloody big and heavy! :shock: i bought it off of ebay for AUD$611 brand new what a score :lol: well after i got it home i sussed things out it come with 2x20watt red/purplish what look to be T5 or what ever the new style of fluros are and 2x30watt fluros that look like 6500K or 10000K it didnt come with the 6 lamps as it stated but im happy also included two 900lph power heads the filter is very weird to me anyway first off the pumps pump the water thru two lenghts of hose that run above my filter these hoses have alot of holes they spray the water over the top of the foam than below the foam there are 6 black compartments (mesh looking boxes) all equal in size and they all measure in total about 4-4.5 foot so a very very big filter indeed im assuming? :) there ment for some type of filter medium maybe carbon? i dont know :oops: than the water trickles back into the tank via these snorkel looking connections i will have pictures in the next day or two of all these parts as i have only a slight clue as what they do :oops:
the fish i am interested in a couple of months will be australian native fish if its possable main fish i want is a barramundi :D bass,golden and silver perch im pretty sure they all live in both salt and fresh water? well im hopping so other than those im im open for ideas on fish and i want a fair few over time need to fill this big tank with something 8)
i also plan on using gold fish as my guine pigs to run in the tank its abit slack but im sure there up to the job how many fish will i need to do this size tank? the gold fish for sale here are about 5-8cm
thanks for all your help its appreciated
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
well i ended up taking some pictures not long ago i need help on sorting out this type of filter so i can get some fish in there anyway here are the pics
the tank is very dirty i havent had a chance to clean it yet :)
tank

return jet thingos?

lights

filter

mesh bucket?

overflow return pipe thingo
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
160 Posts
nice tank, would make an awesome planted tank, but whatever your taste is i am sure it will maximise your set up.
Is it an ex display model, sorry for asking but i was just wondering why it was traded on ebay.
if it is ex display chances are the lights may have been on everyday, in which case i would recommend changing the tubes- it will brighten your fish colours.

Thats all i can say at the moment, congrats on the purchase!Bargain, i wonder what the postage would have been to the uk???
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
hi andew thanks for the reply :) i bought the tank for fish but if i can find a few nice live plants i will put them in but im yet to learn about that as for the tank it was brand new in 2 boxes its made in china so the price was cheap the person i bought it from has a few in his factory im not sure if they ship international? and i spoke to one of my aquarium shops ive been told its a trickle filter so i wil grab some carbon or ceramic noodles tomorrow and some gold fish to cycle the tank :D
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,716 Posts
Hi gazza, welcome to the board! Sorry I'm late in getting to your post. For starters, that appears to be an eheim tank, a model which is not easy to come by in the USA anymore. They are quite expensive when you can find them. If I remember correctly, they stopped making them years ago. I am doing some checking into your tank and filter, but haven't received all of my answers yet. I'll post about it as soon as I can.
As for cycling with goldfish... 2 things to keep in mind: Goldfish will not be compatible with tropicals, so unless they are meant as feeder fish, you will need to consider where you will move them to after cycling. Another thing to consider is that goldfish are extremely dirty fish, and not "easy" to keep as is often thought. They are prone to diseases, and grow very large. The standard comet (feeder goldfish) averages 14 inches, and the standard fancy goldfish averages 8 inches (I don't suggest trying to cycle with fancy goldfish, this will likely not end well, they are much more sensitive to water conditions and don't cycle well)
If you are set on goldfish, I wouldn't put more than 1 or 2 into that tank. This might not seem like a lot to you, but they grow very rapidly. Standard growth rate on feeder/comet goldfish... they can go from 1 inche to 6 inches inside of 2 - 3 months... so even with 1 month limited time, they should more than double in size.
There are a lot of better, sturdier fish to cycle with, tropical fish, and fish that will blend with your other tropicals, depending on what they turn out to be. I would focus on cleaning the tank with bleach water (1/2 cup of bleach to a gallon of water), letting it air dry for at least a few days, replace ALL filter media, once we have identified your filter, change the lightbulbs, get your gravel, decorations, even live plants if you're wanting them... fill it up, add water conditioner, and I do suggest Cycle, I have found it to work quite well when used as directed, and to remember that the #1 key to success in fish keeping is patience.
I will post again when I have identified your tank, and done a bit more research on your desired fish that you named.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,716 Posts
Ok, I'm back with information on the fish species you listed... and I'm going to tell you, honestly, there's no way you're going to be able to keep either the perch or the barramundi in a tank that size. The barramundi grows to almost 7 feet long!!! If you follow this link you'll see what I mean: http://images.google.com/imgres?img...firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X
You're going to run into the same problem with the perch... they get to be over 15 inches http://www.nativefish.asn.au/silver.html
Have you considered something like Australian rainbow fishes? I am guessing your tank is approximately 55 gallons? I'll have to find my converstion chart to be sure, but even if it's slightly bigger than 55 gallons, you'd need thousands of gallons for the barramundi (and that's just for 1 fish), and you'd need well over 200 to keep more than 2 of the perch.
We all love to help, but we need info to work with. Can you tell us what traits you're looking for in your fish other than they be native to Australia? Color? Size? Aggressive/Peaceful? There are a lot of choices out there for you, we'll do our best to help you choose something that is good for that size of an aquarium.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
thanks for the reply bettababy its appreciated i done some more searching today and i found my whole fish tank is a china copy from the Aquaone brand (link below) the filter takes ceramic noodles and activated carbon as for the fish i filled the tank yesterday to let the water sit for a few days so tomorrow i will let my neice and nephews pick out some gold fish and put them into the tank to cycle it while im there i will grab some gravel (if i can find it) ceramic noodles and activated carbon dont worry about the gold fish my neice will be taking home what she can the rest will be put into a smaller thank i plan on buying to put inside of the cabinet and use those gold fish for food haha i just went for a look in one of my LFS to see what fish they had on offer and called anothr shop to see if they had in stock or could get in the fish i wated they said its highly unlikely as i wanted a few australian native cold water fish ie: barramuni,murry cod,silver/golden perch if i can get these fish i will go this option if not i will need to look into setting the tank up for tropical fish i seen a few cheap loaches they look nice and active :D

http://www.aquaone.co.uk/documents/12015018030px.pdf
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
there are quiet a few aussies using 4 foot tanks for these fish i dont mind starting from scrach every 2 years after the fish gets to big for my tank :wink: if i cant own those fish i would like some type of fish that actually looks like a fish (silver perch) is what looks like a good proportioned fish to me something like that would be ideal over say a cat fish etc.. so the probably with me going tropical is #1 the tank water might get over heated in summer i dont want to be forking out for a chiller #2 electricity running all the extra equipment i also want the fish to grow a good size no point having a big tank with guppies in it :D i donno if u can link me to some nice fish i will sus them out and see if my LFS stocks them thanks for your help :) its appreciated
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,716 Posts
Gazza, once again, let me say, PLEASE don't put LARGE fish like that into such a tank. That is cruel and as the fish get larger, (they grow very fast) the work in keeping it stable gets to be impossible... the fish suffer badly from pollution. Unless you have somewhere to send these fish when they reach more than 6 - 8 inches in length, they will surely die.
I have one suggestion, a tropical fish... but NOT AT ALL compatible with the one's you're so set on owning.
I will help you all I can, but will say up front, if you put a barramundi into a tank of that size, I will refuse any further help.
Would you consider something like this INSTEAD?
http://www.lilviv.com/pets/fish/commtank/aus_rain.jpg
Let me know, as I can suggest a few other species which will mix with the Australian rainbow quite nicely.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #13
ok u have convinced me + LFS dont stock the fish i wanted im doing a quick search now heres a few a like

#1 Bolivian Ram
#2 Bala Shark (i seen a few simular to these in the shopso there avaliable)
#3 Blue Ram
#4 Calvus
#5 Cherry Barb
#6 Chilumba Cichlid
#7 Clown Loach
#8 Discus
#9 Peacock Cichlid
#10 Grant's Peacock Cichlid
#11 Mason Peacock Cichlid
i havent done much research on these fish i just went thru the "find a fish" link above all these fish from 1-11 i can see in my aquarium but to single out a few i really like are the following 1,3,6,7,9,11 ive noticed some have the same or multipal names? but those fish above are what i can see my self growing if my LFS stocks them and they are suited to my conditions (hot aussie weather) with no water chiller :cry:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13 Posts
those are all nice fish just check on compatiabilaty. the ram and the discus make a good match (low ph). peacocks togeather. the calvus could go with the peacocks but not recomended. the rest are okay clown loaches like packs. Chilumba Cichlid is malawi probably to aggresive for peacocks but calvus might be okay again most wont recomend mixing lakes. good luck check out http://www.cichlid-forum.com for cichlid info.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,716 Posts
As mentioned, these fish would be much better suited for your tank, but you cannot mix them all together. Of those listed as your favorites, also, they can't be mixed all together in 1 tank.
If you're concerned with high temp issues, I will suggest working with the discus & rams. These fish need soft water, (lower pH) and higher temps (84 - 86 degrees fahrenheit). The peacocks like hard water, but not quite so high a temp.... 76-78 degrees.
I will suggest skipping the bala shark, as again you are dealing with a fish that can reach 14 inches... and the cherry barb & clown loaches would need a peaceful tank with the lower temperatures... so not mixable with the others you listed.
Basic breakdown: discus, rams together, ok
peacock cichlids together, ok
calvus, chilumba together, maybe
clown loach, cherry barb together, ok
bala shark, i'd skip this one unless the tank will be replaced with something much larger within the first year.
The best to tolerate the high temps, discus/rams combo
Does this help?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
675 Posts
I wonder if he could do parana in that tank and maybe eels, that would be an aggresive tank.
thats to bad you dont like small fish
because my favorit combo is a school of neon tetras a school of glass cats a school of corry cats and some marble hatchets maybe in that big tank you could do a school af tiger barbs with some live plants and driftwood. oh ya that would be sweet
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,716 Posts
Once again we are talking about fish that get very large, very fast, and that tank would only hold them for a short time. Piranah get to be 10 inches in diameter, and will grow really fast, and eels... not compatible with piranah.
Piranah will eat anything else you attempt to keep with them, including plecos.
For eels, that would be a matter of finding the right type of eel, which can be challenging. Many eels will need brackish and saltwater environments. The few fresh water eels easily obtained (in some places) are sand dwelling, and will still get quite large... 8 - 14 inches, depending on species. Eels will eat what they can catch, also. The freshwater species of eel will spend most of their time buried in the sand, usually only their head will be visible, and they are very shy. If you're looking for something to watch, eels would be the last thing I'd suggest.
Once again, the trick here is to get fish that won't get overly large unless you can provide a larger tank for them within the first year or so.
Tiger barbs would be a good idea, especially because you will get a lot of activity, a lot of color, and they are not "small" fish. (3 - 4 inches full grown is average)
One option for a barb that would get along with australlian rainbows is the denisoni barb. These get a bit larger, 5 - 6 inches full grown. http://images.google.com/imgres?img...firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N
A few of these with a few australian rainbows, lots of plants, that could be a gorgeous tank long term. Just watch how many you put in there... I wouldn't put more than 5 - 6 fish total into a tank of that size.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #18
alright i filled my tank two days ago left the pumps running since the tank has been filled i took my neice and nephews to buy some gold fish they come home with one each they were very excited about it now they have left and now i need to tell them one of there gold fish died the remaning 3 were very active once put into the tank 20mins later there all sitting on the bottom like there resting? one is laying on its side giving a bit of a flick every now and again (this is the one pretty much dead) could this be i didnt let the water sit for long enough or could it have been stress from the drive home?
i also filled my filters out of the 6 filter trays 2 have activated carbon the other 4 have ceramic noodles i am yet to get a few more things in my LFS there was a huge range of fish but i didnt see many names that stod out
seen a few of the following
ram (one type forgot the name)
shark (pink fins)
calvus (these looked nice) :D
all kinds of cichlids
few types of clown loachs
discus
but the best thing is i found a local breeder very close and cheap enough for my wallet with the following if i can set up my tank and keep gold fish alive i will more than likely buy from this breeder
frontosa (very nice looking fish)
geophagus jurpari
calvus
Firefin
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,716 Posts
I doubt the problem with the goldfish is that the water hasn't sat long enough. Let me ask a few questions... and anytime you post with a problem, the more information you give us, the faster we can help.
Did you clean the tank before filling it? What did you use to clean it?
Did you use water conditioner in the water after you filled the tank?
What is the water temp?
What type of acclimation did you do when you brought the fish home?
How many fish total did you put into the tank?
Have you attempted to feed the fish? What kind of food, how much?
Are there any decorations in the tank?
Is there gravel at the bottom? Any type of substrate?
Were the fish you purchased "feeder goldfish"?
Have you purchased test kits for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH?
Can you please post the exact test results for those listed above? (most LFS's will test the water for you, but you'll need to ask them to write down the EXACT results and the brand name of the test kits they used, and what kind of test kits they used <strip test, liquid test, dry tab test>)
As for the list of fish you provided in your last post... again, not all of those are compatible. We will do our best to help you sort them out, but it would be helpful if you could select 1 or 2 that you REALLY want.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Discussion Starter #20
#1 yep i clean the tank with plain tap water and a new washing sponge (unused in the packet)
#2 no water conditioner i was told and read on these forums if i let the water sit for a few days the chlorine will evaporate?
#3 im not sure on the water temp will let u know later on tonight
sat the bag in the water for a couple of minutes than let abit of the tank water into the bag than released the fish into the tank
#4 four fish i thought this was enough
#5 i fed the fish a tinny sprinkle of flake gold fish food (fish were already on the bottom before this feed)
#6 no decorations yet i want the fish to get use to the tank as if there still in the plain 4 sided glass tanks in the pet shop
#7 no gravel for same reason above
#8 the fish were just named "commets"
#9 i dont have those meters just yet but will be getting them before tropical fish go into the tank

thanks for the speedy reply :) i dont plan on keeping these fish there only to cycle the tank after this instead of killing them or using them as food i will give them away for another persons tank
 
1 - 20 of 35 Posts
Top