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My only concern would be small cories and butterfly fish.. Since cories love to dart up for air, I think a butterfly fish could be able to catch one, the pygmies and dwarfs are pretty tiny.
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I probably won't end up getting Dwarf/Pygmy Cories since the distributor I buy from doesn't sell them.

Hm. According to AqAdvisor, I'd be pushing it if I had:
6 Sterbai Cory
6 Oto Cat
1 African Butterfly

I have a HOB filter made for 30 gal that has a rate of 125gph.
I suppose I could buy the next size up that does 200gph, but I don't want to disrupt the water too much and loose all my C02.
 

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I think you are fine.. AQ advisor can't take into consideration that your tank is heavily planted after all. ;)
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Wow, this is really exciting!
I've considered African Butterfly Fish in the past, but never really had the opportunity to get one.
Next to Dojo Loaches & Pearl Gouramis, they are one of my favorite fish.
 

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I keep pearl gouramis and dojos together. The tank is unheated and ranges in temp from 75 to 82, depending on the time of year. The dojos do fine with the summer heat.
 

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Glad we could help you get something you like! Funny thing about dojos and pearl gourami is that they need rather different setups. Dojos don't like temps over 75F, but the gourami thrive there. lol Oh well. It's just another excuse to get more tanks! ;-)
Right. Someday I'd like to have a Dojo / Black Moore (another favorite) tank. I thought the contrast of white long slender bodies against black bulbous ones would be awesome. I know they have similar temperature requirements.

I don't know much about cooler thanks though.
 

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I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the help that has been given so far.
I am very concerned about the health of the fish that I take care of. I've found that the employees at the nearest fish store (Petco) are not passionate and are also less knowledgeable about fish than I am. Unfortunately since I live in Alaska, I have very few options and have been forced to make my purchases of fish and plants via the internet. As a result, almost all my learning has been by reading books and through trial and error.
It is nice finally being able to discuss aquariums with experienced fish keepers.
 

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Right. Someday I'd like to have a Dojo / Black Moore (another favorite) tank. I thought the contrast of white long slender bodies against black bulbous ones would be awesome. I know they have similar temperature requirements.

I don't know much about cooler thanks though.
I actually tried that exact same combination: goldfish and dojo loaches. It didn't end well. I hate to be a dream dasher, but my dojos gained a taste for the slow-moving goldfish's slime coat. I love the shape of the dojo loaches and was delighted to find there is a smaller, more peaceful, and tropical equivalent: brown kuhli loaches (Pangio oblonga). They only get about 4-5 inches long. Mine are currently burrowing and rooting around in a 29 gal with a gourami and some tetra. Really cute little buggers. And their cousins the kuhli loaches (Pangio kuhlii) come in beautiful black and yellow patterns.

I remember another user on this board used to live in Alaska. She kept bettas, and the only place she could find fish stuff was her local WalMart. It sounds like you guys are pretty limited up there. We're glad you found us, too. :)
 

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I am very concerned about the health of the fish that I take care of. I've found that the employees at the nearest fish store (Petco) are not passionate and are also less knowledgeable about fish than I am. .

That is a reoccurring thing it seems, I went online and found that petco carried kuhli loaches so I made the trip to the nearest one to find out "Oh we shut all our fish tanks down" Pissed would be an understatement in my case. Ended up saying F it and going to my normal LFS to dig in their planted tank for half an hour to find 4 wild male guppys who are looking stunning in my tank in all their 1/2 inch glory and for $ 0.81 for all 4 petco can go die
 

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That's really odd about the goldfish/dojos. I've not had any such problems, and there are a lot of people that keep those fish together. It's a tried and true combination.
 

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I actually tried that exact same combination: goldfish and dojo loaches. It didn't end well. I hate to be a dream dasher, but my dojos gained a taste for the slow-moving goldfish's slime coat. I love the shape of the dojo loaches and was delighted to find there is a smaller, more peaceful, and tropical equivalent: brown kuhli loaches (Pangio oblonga). They only get about 4-5 inches long. Mine are currently burrowing and rooting around in a 29 gal with a gourami and some tetra. Really cute little buggers. And their cousins the kuhli loaches (Pangio kuhlii) come in beautiful black and yellow patterns.

I remember another user on this board used to live in Alaska. She kept bettas, and the only place she could find fish stuff was her local WalMart. It sounds like you guys are pretty limited up there. We're glad you found us, too. :)
Well dang. At least I found out now, rather then after I put them together.
I might just have to do a Gourami/Kuhli loach tank someday. I'll keep that in mind.

Yikes, Walmart sounds like the only thing worse than Petco. xP
 

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Even though I already bought a 20 gal long a couple months ago, I've decided that I am going to get a 29gal!
The length and width are the same; only the height is taller. The maximum aquarium size at the dorms is 25 gal, but there's no way they will be able to tell the difference.

This means I can get those Upside Down Cats that I've been wanting!
I'm also thinking about upgrading to a Fluval 45 gal canister filter, but I'll probably end up slapping on a 30 gal HOB filter on there as well. Is that really overkill? Will it disrupt the water too much causing me to loose my CO2? I'm not using injections.

Here's the stock:
7 Sterbai Cory
7 Oto Cat
3/4 Upside Down Cat

However, AqAdvisor says this is 102% stocking and that Upside Down Cats are 'too aggressive' for Oto Cats. It's going to be heavily, heavily planted though.

What do you think?
 

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Some of my heavier stocked tanks come in at over 200%. My lightest stocked tanks come in at 100%. The percentage stocked they use is very conservative.

I agree, they will not know the difference between 29 and 25.

I would just stick with a canister, and if you need a little extra circulation you can get a mini circulation fan.
 

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Even though I already bought a 20 gal long a couple months ago, I've decided that I am going to get a 29gal!
The length and width are the same; only the height is taller. The maximum aquarium size at the dorms is 25 gal, but there's no way they will be able to tell the difference.

This means I can get those Upside Down Cats that I've been wanting!
I'm also thinking about upgrading to a Fluval 45 gal canister filter, but I'll probably end up slapping on a 30 gal HOB filter on there as well. Is that really overkill? Will it disrupt the water too much causing me to loose my CO2? I'm not using injections.

Here's the stock:
7 Sterbai Cory
7 Oto Cat
3/4 Upside Down Cat

However, AqAdvisor says this is 102% stocking and that Upside Down Cats are 'too aggressive' for Oto Cats. It's going to be heavily, heavily planted though.

What do you think?
First, for a filter, get a Fluval U1 or U2. They are small internal filters. The U1 is just a sponge, which is sufficient with live plants. The U2 has compartments for media like an external canister but smaller. I have an old Eheim that is basically a U1, on my 33g now, and it is super. Sadly, Eheim don't make these any longer, so looking around in case my 15-year old Eheim quits, i found the U1. I would not use an HOB. And an external canister is fine but more expensive and unnecessary. Let the plants do what they do best--filter. The mechanical filter is just to move the water gently, none of these fish was a torrent like any HOB would provide on so small a tank.

Fish. Otos, I would not get 7, this is way too many. A trio would be fine if you like them (you said earlier you do), but in a 29g i would omit them altogether and get something else since space is limited.

The C. sterbai is fine at 7, the S. nigriventris is good with 3-4 but no fewer.

As you like catfish, how about Whiptail Catfish or Red Lizard Whiptail? Water is soft and acidic (isn't it?) so Farlowella vittata is another good option, and one of these would easily handle common algae as good or better than the otos so i wouldn't have both.

Are you off the Pantadon buchholzi? A pair (male/female) would work, with no small lower fish as these will be gobbled up if they approach the surface, or at least the attempt will be made. P. buchholzi have huge mouths. This fish is another reason for no HOB, they need a calm surface.

If no P. buchholzi, there are many suitable mid to upper range fish for a smaller tank (29g). Soft acidic water also benefits. Rasbora, the dwarf species, or the Trigonostigma species in a group; pencilfish; hatchetfish; some of the "common" tetra like cardinals, Roberts Tetra, Rosy tetra, Black Phantom Tetra. All of these are quiet fish, not swimmers, so a planted 29g is ideal. A group of 7 of two of these, with the mentioned catfish.

Lots of options.

Byron.
 

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First, for a filter, get a Fluval U1 or U2. They are small internal filters. The U1 is just a sponge, which is sufficient with live plants. The U2 has compartments for media like an external canister but smaller. I have an old Eheim that is basically a U1, on my 33g now, and it is super. Sadly, Eheim don't make these any longer, so looking around in case my 15-year old Eheim quits, i found the U1. I would not use an HOB. And an external canister is fine but more expensive and unnecessary. Let the plants do what they do best--filter. The mechanical filter is just to move the water gently, none of these fish was a torrent like any HOB would provide on so small a tank.

Fish. Otos, I would not get 7, this is way too many. A trio would be fine if you like them (you said earlier you do), but in a 29g i would omit them altogether and get something else since space is limited.

The C. sterbai is fine at 7, the S. nigriventris is good with 3-4 but no fewer.

As you like catfish, how about Whiptail Catfish or Red Lizard Whiptail? Water is soft and acidic (isn't it?) so Farlowella vittata is another good option, and one of these would easily handle common algae as good or better than the otos so i wouldn't have both.

Are you off the Pantadon buchholzi? A pair (male/female) would work, with no small lower fish as these will be gobbled up if they approach the surface, or at least the attempt will be made. P. buchholzi have huge mouths. This fish is another reason for no HOB, they need a calm surface.

If no P. buchholzi, there are many suitable mid to upper range fish for a smaller tank (29g). Soft acidic water also benefits. Rasbora, the dwarf species, or the Trigonostigma species in a group; pencilfish; hatchetfish; some of the "common" tetra like cardinals, Roberts Tetra, Rosy tetra, Black Phantom Tetra. All of these are quiet fish, not swimmers, so a planted 29g is ideal. A group of 7 of two of these, with the mentioned catfish.

Lots of options.

Byron.
Fluval U1 says it is for up to 15 gals, but since it is heavily planted I trust your judgement. Clearly you know what you're doing.
Yes my water is soft and acidic.
Whiptails are nice, but it sounds like they are another bottom dweller. I want my corys to have lots of room at the bottom. I think Oto cats are adorable, but I might be willing to replace them with a less sensitive, readily available fish. I'm just having trouble finding Catfish that enjoy the middle or upper portions of the tank.
I've read up a lot on the Upside Down Cats, but no one specifically says whether they are top, middle or bottom dwellers. I'm assuming they are all over the place. Makes since they are built to grab food from the surface.
If the otos were replaced, I would defiantly still be interested in the African Butterfly Fish. It sounds like they would eat the poor Otos.
I have 0 interest in tetras, but I am really fond of Hatchets.

As far as stock goes here are my ideas:
Option 1-
7 Sterbai Cory
3 Oto Cats
5 Upside Down Cats

Option 2-
7 Sterbai Cory
7 Marble Hatchet Fish (Or 1/2 medium sized middle/top dwelling catfish)
4 Upside Down Cats

Option 3-
7 Sterbai Cory
4 Upside Down Cats
2 African Butterfly Fish

Are these fairly balanced? Too heavy of a bioload? Too crowded?
 

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Fluval U1 says it is for up to 15 gals, but since it is heavily planted I trust your judgement. Clearly you know what you're doing.
Yes my water is soft and acidic.
Whiptails are nice, but it sounds like they are another bottom dweller. I want my corys to have lots of room at the bottom. I think Oto cats are adorable, but I might be willing to replace them with a less sensitive, readily available fish. I'm just having trouble finding Catfish that enjoy the middle or upper portions of the tank.
I've read up a lot on the Upside Down Cats, but no one specifically says whether they are top, middle or bottom dwellers. I'm assuming they are all over the place. Makes since they are built to grab food from the surface.
If the otos were replaced, I would defiantly still be interested in the African Butterfly Fish. It sounds like they would eat the poor Otos.
I have 0 interest in tetras, but I am really fond of Hatchets.

As far as stock goes here are my ideas:
Option 1-
7 Sterbai Cory
3 Oto Cats
5 Upside Down Cats

Option 2-
7 Sterbai Cory
7 Marble Hatchet Fish (Or 1/2 medium sized middle/top dwelling catfish)
4 Upside Down Cats

Option 3-
7 Sterbai Cory
4 Upside Down Cats
2 African Butterfly Fish

Are these fairly balanced? Too heavy of a bioload? Too crowded?
No issues, my only suggestion is you need some middle fish or this is going to look like an empty tank with plants. Corys move around, but they are bottom primarily. Otos move around, but you really don't see them, i have five in one tank and have to hunt for them. S. nigriventris move around, but 3-4 isn't much activity mid-tank. And with either the hatchets or Pantodon, they are surface.

Mid-water fish I'm afraid takes you into characins (if not tetra, maybe pencilfish--there are some that swim at an angle, or some very colourful like the Coral Red), or rasbora.
 

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or pygmy corydora's they are a mid water schooler
 

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I can't imagine that the butterflies will even know of the otos existence, let alone eat them.
 
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