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Hello all. Im nearing the end of completion of a fishless cycle on my 46 gallon tropical aquarium. I used a chunk of Tilapia wrapped in cheesecloth, with a pinch of fish flakes after the first bacteria brought ammonia down. Ammonia levels were above the testing scale for a couple weeks. Everything is looking good, and im almost ready to stock.
Here is my question......
I plan to have no more than 18 assorted Platy in this tank. Can I, should I, add all 18 in 1 day, (properly acclimated) ???
Im new to this, and am unsure of the quantities of bacteria that are established in my tank, given the method I used to cycle, meaning I am wondering if you think that my cycle method has created enough bacteria to immediately support a bio load of 18 platy? On the other hand, I dont want to add to little at a time and have good bacteria die off.
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You should have no problems adding 18 platy to a 46g tank that is cycled.

Do you have live plants? These make it even easier, but regardless, as I indicated above I think you're fine.

The "bacteria" don't exactly die, they go into a sort of hibernation. I'm not sure how long this can last, but recent research indicates it is more than most of us ever imagined.

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Thanks. I have a couple live plants, was thinking of adding a couple moss balls. Do moss balls have the same benefits of live plants?
 

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Thanks. I have a couple live plants, was thinking of adding a couple moss balls. Do moss balls have the same benefits of live plants?
Yes, though lesser than true plants. "Moss balls" are actually algae, not a plant. Chladophora aegagropila is the scientific name of the algae species.

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You should have no problems adding 18 platy to a 46g tank that is cycled.

Do you have live plants? These make it even easier, but regardless, as I indicated above I think you're fine.

The "bacteria" don't exactly die, they go into a sort of hibernation. I'm not sure how long this can last, but recent research indicates it is more than most of us ever imagined.

Byron.

Thanks for your advice. Worked out really well. I stocked all at once, while checking ammonia and nitrite 3 times daily. Neither went above 0.

Next question is Water is perfect, 0,0,10-20 . I have one platy which is resting at the bottom as of late, breathing seems ok, no clamped fins, and another that has began to flash. Neither have visual signs of ICH.
Would you recommend I remove the 2 from main tank immediately? or wait it out? Im very paranoid because a few months back we had a ich breakout and killed entire tank, due to over stocking a new tank...Many thanks to my local chain petstore on the horrible advice on stocking!! My fault for not researching properly though.

After that i drained 99% of water, did not wash gravel. Went through a 30 plus day fishless cycle with water temp at 95 F. According to extensive reading that should have been more than good to rid the ICH.
On a side note, one of them must have given birth, i saw 1 tiny fry but before i could intervene the poor fella was eaten.
I want to be overly cautious, and appreciate all input and suggestions, even criticisms. i really dont want to deal with another mass outbreak!!
Thanks,Ken
 

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Thanks for your advice. Worked out really well. I stocked all at once, while checking ammonia and nitrite 3 times daily. Neither went above 0.

Next question is Water is perfect, 0,0,10-20 . I have one platy which is resting at the bottom as of late, breathing seems ok, no clamped fins, and another that has began to flash. Neither have visual signs of ICH.
Would you recommend I remove the 2 from main tank immediately? or wait it out? Im very paranoid because a few months back we had a ich breakout and killed entire tank, due to over stocking a new tank...Many thanks to my local chain petstore on the horrible advice on stocking!! My fault for not researching properly though.

After that i drained 99% of water, did not wash gravel. Went through a 30 plus day fishless cycle with water temp at 95 F. According to extensive reading that should have been more than good to rid the ICH.
On a side note, one of them must have given birth, i saw 1 tiny fry but before i could intervene the poor fella was eaten.
I want to be overly cautious, and appreciate all input and suggestions, even criticisms. i really dont want to deal with another mass outbreak!!
Thanks,Ken
These symptoms would first suggest ammonia or nitrite poisoning to me, but if your tests for both are zero as you said then the next likely issue is either some water problem or ich.

What is the GH and pH?
 

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Water temp is 76f, I added half the recommended amount of aquarium salt about a week ago. Just noticed these 2 fish symptoms last night.
 

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Water temp is 76f, I added half the recommended amount of aquarium salt about a week ago. Just noticed these 2 fish symptoms last night.
OK, no issues with GH and pH. I asked about these because livebearers do not fare well in soft acidic water, and the symptoms you describe could indicate this. So that is another possible out of the way.

Temp is fine. Salt is not as bad for livebearers as soft water fish, but why have you been using salt?
 

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Only reason I added a little bit of salt is because during internet searchs, though opinions differ on the matter it seems that the benefits of a light salt could be good for them with respect to respiration. I did only add half what the bottle suggested. As far as other chemicals, its just Tetra Aqua Safe Plus for new water, and Dr. Fosters Live Nitrifiing Bacteria when changing water.
What would you do if you were in my shoes?
 

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Only reason I added a little bit of salt is because during internet searchs, though opinions differ on the matter it seems that the benefits of a light salt could be good for them with respect to respiration. I did only add half what the bottle suggested. As far as other chemicals, its just Tetra Aqua Safe Plus for new water, and Dr. Fosters Live Nitrifiing Bacteria when changing water.
What would you do if you were in my shoes?
It is true that opinion on salt varies a lot. But given the fact that salt does affect fish physiology, and that no freshwater fish (with a few exceptions such as the molly) encounters any salt at all in their natural habitat and thus they are not designed to handle it, and the scientific evidence that there is no therapeutic benefit of salt anyway, I would not add it except if it is the only treatment for some particular issue. You can read more on salt here, for info:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/freshwater-articles/salt-freshwater-aquarium-97842/

If this were me, I would do an immediate and major water change, of 2/3 of the tank volume. Use tap water, and the conditioner (AquaSafe), nothing else. It is amazing what a water change will do to fish in distress from many things. This will deal with the salt, which just might be the issue.

Let us know how the fish respond.

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It is true that opinion on salt varies a lot. But given the fact that salt does affect fish physiology, and that no freshwater fish (with a few exceptions such as the molly) encounters any salt at all in their natural habitat and thus they are not designed to handle it, and the scientific evidence that there is no therapeutic benefit of salt anyway, I would not add it except if it is the only treatment for some particular issue. You can read more on salt here, for info:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/freshwater-articles/salt-freshwater-aquarium-97842/

If this were me, I would do an immediate and major water change, of 1/3 of the tank volume. Use tap water, and the conditioner (AquaSafe), nothing else. It is amazing what a water change will do to fish in distress from many things. This will deal with the salt, which just might be the issue.

Let us know how the fish respond.

Byron.
Very good point regarding salt, make sense from your stand point. will do the water change and update you. Thanks so much for advice
 

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Very good point regarding salt, make sense from your stand point. will do the water change and update you. Thanks so much for advice
Silly me, just noticed I had said a 1/3 water change, I meant 2/3 of the tank volume. B.
 
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