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Hi!
So, I want to plant live plants in my 5 gallon tank which is occupied by two fantail goldfish*, and want to plant live plants. The tank doesn't have a heater, and the filter has a power of 5-10 gallons.
Any advice on...
1. What kind of plants I should plant?
2. How many I should plant?
3. How I should care for the plants?

*I know that 5 gallons is kind of small for two goldfish, but they've been living well for 3, nearly 4, years. And they are healthy.
Plus, fantails only grow as big as is appropriate for the tank they are living in.
 

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5 gallons is way too small for two gold fish. The "fantails only grow as is appropriate for the tank they are living in" is a complete myth. Goldfish living in that small of a space will die way earlier than they are supposed to. Goldfish are extremely messy eaters and will produce much more ammonia than normal fish. 4 years is not much for goldfish, they can live up to 20 years old... One way to put this in perspective... Have you ever met anyone who has kept goldfish alive for more than 10 years (only half their possible lifespan) in a tank or bowl less than 10 gallons?

As for plants, plants will help the situation but relocating the goldfish is still necessary. Kind of plants is really of your preference. There are slow growing buried or rhibozome (did I spell that right?) plants. Fast growing plants tend to be stem or floating plants. Fast growing plants tend to help control water quality more. Other than that it is really personal preference. Make sure your water parameters are suitable for your plants. As for how many you should plant is also personal preference. More, however will help control water quality better. As for care, decide wether you want to go high or low tech. High tech means lots of light and plant fertilizer. Low tech is less light and little to no fertilizer.
 

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Thank you!
About the Goldfish myth...maybe it is a myth, I don't know, but it's either the tank seems smaller or my fish have grown since they've been in the new tank. :)
I had a common goldfish who lived all my himself in a 5 gallon tank for about 5 years, not 10 years I know but kind of similar as I was not really as experienced at that time. And considering he was also from Walmart.

I think from what you said I want a type of stem plant. And probably I'll go low tech.
 

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Goldfish usually to around 20 years and get to around 12"
the longest living goldfish died at 40 years+
=P

sometimes a small tank will stunt a gold fish's growth, so what happens is the body stops growing but the organs keep growing... @[email protected] then they kind of die from the organ being squished together.

To answer your question... you should proabably go for jungle vals, amazon swords, java ferns and anubias, I would give hair grass a go too.

I recommend a 40 gallon for your two goldfish :3
or a 20 gallon now and an upgrade later.

I also recommend a heater to warm the water slightly, especially in the cooler weather
 

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Thank you!
About the Goldfish myth...maybe it is a myth, I don't know
It definitely is a myth...

I was going to metion the stunting that aokashi mentioned but I wasn't sure if it had been confirmed yet. I do certainly know that 5 gallons is far too small for goldfish.

There is also another factor I didn't mention (again I am pretty sure this is not confirmed). The theory is that fish can sense when the envirement is too small, so they stop growning. However, if this is true than the stunting thing is also definitely true.
 

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No fish can grow to the size of their aquarium. They are no different from any animal or human in that regard. I could, theoretically, place an infant child in a 2ft square cage. At the beginning, more than enough room.

Eventually that kid is going to grow as much as it can in that space, and when there is no more room to grow 'normally' their body will twist and stunt as it keeps trying to grow.

For goldfish (especially fantails, who already have deformed bodies to begin with) this also means that theur internal organs will keep growing until they rupture or compact another organ. Especially with the heart and digestive system.

I'm sorry but I can't in good conscience give you advice for plants until you find more suitable accommodations for your fish.

Also, goldfish are herbivores and will eat any stem plant placed in your tank.
 

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Okay, I know that the fish would eat the plants. :) But its not like they would finish off the whole thing the first day the plants were in the tank, and if the plants are consumed and don't do anything bad to the fish, I think its a good thing. :)
 

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Goldfish usually to around 20 years and get to around 12"
the longest living goldfish died at 40 years+
=P

sometimes a small tank will stunt a gold fish's growth, so what happens is the body stops growing but the organs keep growing... @[email protected] then they kind of die from the organ being squished together.

To answer your question... you should proabably go for jungle vals, amazon swords, java ferns and anubias, I would give hair grass a go too.

I recommend a 40 gallon for your two goldfish :3
or a 20 gallon now and an upgrade later.

I also recommend a heater to warm the water slightly, especially in the cooler weather
So how do I know if my goldfish are stunting (if they are)?
 

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No fish can grow to the size of their aquarium. They are no different from any animal or human in that regard. I could, theoretically, place an infant child in a 2ft square cage. At the beginning, more than enough room.

Eventually that kid is going to grow as much as it can in that space, and when there is no more room to grow 'normally' their body will twist and stunt as it keeps trying to grow.

For goldfish (especially fantails, who already have deformed bodies to begin with) this also means that theur internal organs will keep growing until they rupture or compact another organ. Especially with the heart and digestive system.

I'm sorry but I can't in good conscience give you advice for plants until you find more suitable accommodations for your fish.

Also, goldfish are herbivores and will eat any stem plant placed in your tank.
Um I'm just wondering...how are fantail's bodies deformed? Just because they're shaped kind of like an egg and are round doesn't mean they have a disability. Otherwise, I think they'd wouldn't have their own species of fish, and they would be counted as 'deformed common goldfish'. :)
 

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*Just to explain the smallish tank, I'm too busy to have a bigger one with sports, school, volunteering, and caring for my brother's Betta Fish, the family dog, etc. :) Sorry I know I'm not as good as a fish keeper as I should strive to be, but I just can't do it until I'm, like, in college (about a decade from now) and my fish probably won't be alive then.*
 

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*Just to explain the smallish tank, I'm too busy to have a bigger one with sports, school, volunteering, and caring for my brother's Betta Fish, the family dog, etc. :) Sorry I know I'm not as good as a fish keeper as I should strive to be, but I just can't do it until I'm, like, in college (about a decade from now) and my fish probably won't be alive then.*
If you can't provide a big enough tank for your goldfish why did you choose them in the first place... There are plenty of other fish, shrimp, and snails out there perfectly suitable for this size tank...

In nature everything falls in to balnce and everything works out. When you are getting an aquarium you are practically creating a whole new envirement from scratch. The fish you put in your tank have their lives in your hands. If you are not responsible enough to provide their needs for them then you shouldn't even have them in the first place.
 

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If you can't provide a big enough tank for your goldfish why did you choose them in the first place... There are plenty of other fish, shrimp, and snails out there perfectly suitable for this size tank...

In nature everything falls in to balnce and everything works out. When you are getting an aquarium you are practically creating a whole new envirement from scratch. The fish you put in your tank have their lives in your hands. If you are not responsible enough to provide their needs for them then you shouldn't even have them in the first place.

don't you think the guy already realizes what he has and what the conditions should be? I realize its your opinion but some are best kept to ourselves. he is one of thousands that im sure gets fish based on myths and "common talk".

if everyone came down on people that made uninformed decisions this forum would be a disaster. he came here looking for help and got it. hes doing the best he can with what he has available. so again if you do not agree and cannot get over that fact then might be best if you keep all the talking down to yourself. how would you feel if we all came down on you for the mistakes and misinformation you made/received?
 

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Um I'm just wondering...how are fantail's bodies deformed? Just because they're shaped kind of like an egg and are round doesn't mean they have a disability. Otherwise, I think they'd wouldn't have their own species of fish, and they would be counted as 'deformed common goldfish'. :)
they are a type of deformed goldfish, but their deformity is desirable to those who bred them, so they're not called "deformed" as that wont sell at all! ^_^
unfortunately like the breeding of bettas to have bigger and bigger fins, fantails are bred to have a shorter body and a fancier tail than the common gold fish.
Additionally, they are of the same species :) the fantail is a "variety". it's like how humans are all the same species but there are different colored skin.

ofcourse, it is ultimately your own choice to keep them or rehome them but I'm sure you will leave here feeling more informed about this species to properly care for them in the future ^_^
Imagine, a gold fish can live twice as long as you have so far, isn't that impressive? XD the oldest one might be as old as your parents!

Wont it be kind of sad if someone died at 25 when they can live to he 100? :D just a thought, lol

i do encourage plants, as they will help cater for the heavy wastes goldfish produce :D

happy fish keeping :)
 

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they are a type of deformed goldfish, but their deformity is desirable to those who bred them, so they're not called "deformed" as that wont sell at all! ^_^
unfortunately like the breeding of bettas to have bigger and bigger fins, fantails are bred to have a shorter body and a fancier tail than the common gold fish.
Additionally, they are of the same species :) the fantail is a "variety". it's like how humans are all the same species but there are different colored skin.

ofcourse, it is ultimately your own choice to keep them or rehome them but I'm sure you will leave here feeling more informed about this species to properly care for them in the future ^_^
Imagine, a gold fish can live twice as long as you have so far, isn't that impressive? XD the oldest one might be as old as your parents!

Wont it be kind of sad if someone died at 25 when they can live to he 100? :D just a thought, lol

i do encourage plants, as they will help cater for the heavy wastes goldfish produce :D

happy fish keeping :)
Oh okay! I get the "deformity" thingy now! :D
And yeah, the tank will probably never be. :( Now I also have a hermit crab that my friend and I share to take care of for a month or so - harder than the fish I have because I let him out to crawl around and have to keep an eye that no one steps on him or that he doesn't crawl under something I can't get him out of...yeah. Hermit crabs are kind of like fish for the 'longer life' thing, except if you let them out to exercise, the size of their home is more flexible (like it could be smaller than a 10 gallon tank).

Yeah, it is sad about the age. :( I don't know, I'll try my best though to care for them, and work with what I have.
A couple small plants possibly coming soon! :D

You have a happy time fish keeping too! Thanks for all of the advice!
 

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don't you think the guy already realizes what he has and what the conditions should be? I realize its your opinion but some are best kept to ourselves. he is one of thousands that im sure gets fish based on myths and "common talk".

if everyone came down on people that made uninformed decisions this forum would be a disaster. he came here looking for help and got it. hes doing the best he can with what he has available. so again if you do not agree and cannot get over that fact then might be best if you keep all the talking down to yourself. how would you feel if we all came down on you for the mistakes and misinformation you made/received?
Yeah my idea about fish is probably based on lots of myths; but a couple of facts (thank goodness).

I'm not offended, but just to let you know, I'm a "she". ;)
 
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