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Definetly some time going to start a 20g reef tank i have a few questions and a plan that i need some input on.

Right now i have a FW 55gal tank. My parameters for that tank are crazy so My concentration's kinda on that right now (nitrate-110 nitrite-56 Ammonia-0.1 hardness-900 ph-7) So that right now is kinda a problem. But for my SW tank i want to get here is what i have. But remember i live in Edmonton,Alberta,Canada so i have different money than the USA and different resources. Here are what i'm thinking of buying. Any problems?

20g Aquarium-45.99$
AquaClear 50 Filter-59.99$
Rio Nano Skimmer-49.99$
Visitherm heater 75watt-44.99$
Koralia Pump-49.99$
Liverock-8.00$ per pound
Hagen light- my brother has one was going to use for his projector 0$
Salt for a 50g-26.59
Arogonite sand?

Fish
2 clowns-22.99$ per fish
RedFire Fish?
Longnosed Hawkfish?
Magenta Dottyback?
Lawnmower Blenny?
McCosker's Flasher Wrasse?
Seahorse?
Don't know what kind of coral

For liverock and sand is there a site that sells this kind of stuff really cheap because i know it would be better to buy it cheap online because it might come with coral or something.

?=don't know

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For the fish, I would only suggest having 2 clowns and a good amount of inverts (Shrimp, crabs, coral, sea cucs, feather dusters, etc).

You can't put much into a 20 gallon, unfortunatley.
 

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Agree with above post. Was going to say the same thing. If you are set on clowns, get 2. You might add a fire fish or lawnmower blenny but understand the clowns may attempt to kill it. No seahorse, they are much to delicate and you need more experience. Seahorse should be kept in seahorse dedicated tanks unless you have the time and resources to keep good notes on the system and tend to the seahorses. Even at that you would only add things like a scooter blenny or small goby. The wrasse are for much larger tanks.

Halogen lights look horrible on salt tanks and add huge amounts of heat, you are thinking of halide. On a 20g mixed reef T5 might be the way to go, maybe 3-4 bulbs. Not sure of where to get rock online in CA. I know of several locals that sell for $2.50 a lb but shipping into CA can be difficult.
 

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I really like clown fish, is there any way i can get maybe 1 clown fish and some other ones. But if thats the case i might not get the clown fish and some of the other ones. Can you give me the list of what i can get in my tank from my list. and the sites for the live rock, can i have them i want to see if they cost less when i add everything up thanks for the help. Is there anything else that would be a problem? I need all the help i can.
 

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Agree with above post. Was going to say the same thing. If you are set on clowns, get 2. You might add a fire fish or lawnmower blenny but understand the clowns may attempt to kill it. No seahorse, they are much to delicate and you need more experience. Seahorse should be kept in seahorse dedicated tanks unless you have the time and resources to keep good notes on the system and tend to the seahorses. Even at that you would only add things like a scooter blenny or small goby. The wrasse are for much larger tanks.

Halogen lights look horrible on salt tanks and add huge amounts of heat, you are thinking of halide. On a 20g mixed reef T5 might be the way to go, maybe 3-4 bulbs. Not sure of where to get rock online in CA. I know of several locals that sell for $2.50 a lb but shipping into CA can be difficult.
Could I have a link to a website of one of those local stores (if they have one)? A store here sells LR for $9.50 per lb. :?

SS, I think MattD posted some sort of list in his thread.

Clownfish are the best to go.
 

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Cody you'll just have to look around. I used to have a list of about 10 online retailers selling live rock for $2-3.00 a lb. I get it for $0.89 from my wholesaler. Problem with the online is that sooner or later they either become a brick and mortar shop and have to raise their prices or they go out of business. I used to send everyone to Monica at Ocean Homes Etc. but I think she sold her business. You could still try. Check with Ed Prado at Wolf Reef in San Antonio, his everyday price for Fiji is $2.50. He probably would prefer not to ship but tell him caferacer in Austin recommended him and maybe he'd help. I've done a lot of business there. Check Ebay. There are literally hundreds of little vendors selling for cheap online.
 

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the red fire fish is out but that kind of wrasse is supposidly the best wrasse for small tanks.
 

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caferacermike said:
Cody you'll just have to look around. I used to have a list of about 10 online retailers selling live rock for $2-3.00 a lb. I get it for $0.89 from my wholesaler. Problem with the online is that sooner or later they either become a brick and mortar shop and have to raise their prices or they go out of business. I used to send everyone to Monica at Ocean Homes Etc. but I think she sold her business. You could still try. Check with Ed Prado at Wolf Reef in San Antonio, his everyday price for Fiji is $2.50. He probably would prefer not to ship but tell him caferacer in Austin recommended him and maybe he'd help. I've done a lot of business there. Check Ebay. There are literally hundreds of little vendors selling for cheap online.
Ok. I check Google. :p

Mike, could I fit any Clownfish in a 12Gallon Nano? I plan on adding a few inverts (Cleaner Shrimp, Emerald Crab, a snail or two and maybe some hermits) if you need to know.

I have been trying to look for a good-priced 20-24 gallon Nano, but if I get "stuck", I will have to use a 12.
 

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i don't think you can fit any kind of clownfish but most kinds you can fit in a very small tank. in my lfs they have a 10g tank in the front with 2 maroon clownfish in it.
 

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SeaSerpant said:
i don't think you can fit any kind of clownfish but most kinds you can fit in a very small tank. in my lfs they have a 10g tank in the front with 2 maroon clownfish in it.
Where did you find your 20Gallon tank?
 

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mine. i haven't bought it yet but just at my lfs. my lfs is special because it is dedicated to aquariums and fish so it doesn't have any dogs or cat stuff. they also custom make aquariums. you can go to www.aquariumilllusions.com that is the place i found everything.
 

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my lfs is special because it is dedicated to aquariums and fish so it doesn't have any dogs or cat stuff.
That doesnt make the LFS special, that's actually quite common. That, my friend, is the difference between a Local Fish Store, and a Local Pet Store. Generally, Pet stores are not the place to look for quality equipment and livestock, they sell inexpensive products and livestock that will sell quickly to people looking to dive into the hobby uninformed. The average LFS looks to do the same, only with expensive equipment and livestock. :bluelaugh:

This is why forum and internet research is so crucial to one's success in the hobby. Stores are in business to make money. Thats the bottom line.
 

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Having 2 maroon clowns in a 10g is not a good idea at all. That shows poor judgment on the part of your retailer and sends people home thinking they can/should do this. Then those same people log on to internet forums and argue everything to the death because "their LFS does it". Just because their LFS does it, does not make it right. I had 2 maroon clowns in my 75g tank, each of them was large enough to eat. Both were about 7" from head to tail. Yeah let's put 2 full grown maroon clowns in a 10g tank. I'm sorry but maroon clowns (and all the other "cute widdle baby clowns) are not meant to be placed in a 10g tank, really 20g is pushing it but I've given up all hope of telling folks not to place clowns in tanks under 40g, as everyone must have them since THAT MOVIE came out.
 

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They weren't full grown though. i guess i can get 2 false clown fish and then see what happens then on. is there any peticular fish in my list that will do well with clown fish?
 

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Nemo was an entertaining film, and it has had good and bad effects on the industry imo. On one hand, you have a ton of people's interest initially sparked by the prospect of keeping such a fish, which then evolves into a deeper interest in the hobby. On the other hand, you have an equal amount of people purchasing them without being committed to taking care of them. A difficult paradigm indeed, but one that's been around in freshwater for years, I suppose.

Just my two cents. :wink:
 

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That is totally true Mattd. And the movie has bunches of lies but it's supposed to be entertaining not about the true ocean and what happens in it.
 
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