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Well... I know all loaches are more prone to hiding if there aren't enough of them, though *technically* you never had enough of them, right? Shouldn't even the yoyo's be in shoals of 6+? Either way, I'm glad that they've found a way to feel a bit more comfortable, and that the bichir doesn't seem to mind - is it the same one that they tend to stick close to?
Do these babies have NAMES? I know Queen does, but do the others?
When are you going to get the new additions? I'm assuming you're waiting for things to establish a bit in this tank? And how is that going? I know you don't generally test, but have you checked the water to see what the water parameters are like in there? SOooooo curious!!! Sorry!
 

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In response to all the questions out of order:

Yoyo Loaches are prone to hiding when they are A: not in a big enough shoal or B: In the presence of predators (meaning there are aggressive tank mates).

Mine have never really been that prone to hiding. When Queen comes out they tend to stay out of her way (then again all the fish do). It is true though that they should be a shoal of at least 6 (which is why I plan to bring at least four home).

As for when that will happen. I don't know yet. I hope to be able to do it either Sun, or next week. It just depends when the money is free because it's not just the cost of the fish. We also have to drive out to the pet store that has them (that's a fair drive out of the way).

Now when it comes to hiding spots there is the 2 foot long pipe that Queen claimed. There is a shorter pipe, a half log, and the ugly beige log that is currently in the middle of the tank. Queen uses her retreat. The half log gets used. The other two hiding spots tend to be go in periods of use/disuse. For some reason the fish really really like the half log. Though in the past my Loaches showed a preference for the beige log in the middle of the tank. I have seen my bichirs use the smaller pvc pipe.

The two Senegalus technically have names. "Zorn and Thorn" were the original names I gave them based on some FF characters. However for the longest time I couldn't tell them apart and when I finally saw sexual dimorphism I started calling one "Male" and the other "Female". The two loaches have recently been dubbed "Wheeler" and "Joey". One is Wheeler because of the way at night he likes to derp and spin up and down in circles for a reason I don't know. My friend came up with the name Joey.

EDIT: Also as for testing I have not done any testing yet. I may get something to test with when I get my loaches so I can keep an eye on what the load does to the tank. Plus I have to work out a good water change schedule.
 

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You know I'm going to rename the Senegalus. The shorter fat one is going to be Fee (for female) and I'll call the longer thinner Male "Mal".
 

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Queen came out last night for a bit but I didn't have the camera handy.

I noticed today she was poking her head out looking around and so I put some shrimp pellets in and grabbed the camera. At first she just stuck her head out a few times to grab a few pellets. Then she came out completely. I've got footage uploading right now of her after she left the log entirely because she wanted to forage for food. Expect and update soon.
 

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Alright here we go:

 

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heehee, I love how everyone scurries out of her way. . . such a neat creature, always nice to get a peek.
 

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heehee, I love how everyone scurries out of her way. . . such a neat creature, always nice to get a peek.
She's the Queen , you don't get in the way of a Queen.

I'm hoping to see her come out more and more.
 

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haha, OFF WITH HER HEAD!!! I agree - and I really think she will :)
Oh the Red Queen. Ten times more demented in the Alice game I watched a play through of.

Well I have some good and bad news! The good news is I brought more fish home. The bad news is that it's not likely I will be able to get my hands on any Yoyo Loach at the size I want. When I went up to there I kind of got the run around but was told I may be able to custom order the size I want. When I get a little extra money and the tank is a little better planted/established I will look into that. For now I"m dealing with my family being a little disgruntled at how "Empty" the tank looks when the bottom dwellers are doing what they do best.

So after some looking around at their stock my friend and I decided to get four Gourami. We got Moonlight and two Pearl. So far they seem to be appreciating their new tank and they gobbled up some Mysis Shrimp I thawed for them as a treat for putting up with such a stress period. We also got another plant to help fill the tank in a bit. I did a bit of rescaping too. Stand by for pictures and video.









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Gorgeous Gourami! I was actually wondering what your family thought of your choice in fishes, lol! *I* think they're lovely, but I can see how they might not be appreciated by non aquarists who have them in their living room, lol! I hope the gourami fare well!

Bummer about the loaches. . .How old are your current two? How long would it take babies to catch up in size? Or. . . would the bichir see them as dinner before they got that big? It will be worth the money to do a custom order, but what a bummer, considering they said they had them in stock! *growls*
 

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Gorgeous Gourami! I was actually wondering what your family thought of your choice in fishes, lol! *I* think they're lovely, but I can see how they might not be appreciated by non aquarists who have them in their living room, lol! I hope the gourami fare well!

Bummer about the loaches. . .How old are your current two? How long would it take babies to catch up in size? Or. . . would the bichir see them as dinner before they got that big? It will be worth the money to do a custom order, but what a bummer, considering they said they had them in stock! *growls*
Well one doesn't like the fact that my "monsters" eat little fish. The other really likes everything.

So far the Gourami doesn't bother the bichir and vice versa. They are very happy eaters though. As for the loaches, yeah the ornate would eat babies. Once the tank is fully planted I'm going to definitely see about the cost to do a special order.
 

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Today was the first day I did any sort of a major water change. I removed close to 30 gallons and put it back in. I left a siphon thing in my tank and gradually removed the water switching between my 4 gallon bucket and the 5 gallon.

That said I've had interesting experiences with my new fish. One of the two Moonlight Gourami began to turn slightly orange red underneath and on the long feeler looking things. He's been taking plants they uprooted and ferrying them to one side of the tank right under the new filter. Every time he would patiently put the raft together disaster would happen when the raft drifted into the output and fell apart. Then he'd patiently put it all back together.

So I moved the filter to the other side of the tank. Within half an hour the Gourami had moved all the plants over to the side where the filter is.

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So I got suction cups and tied down a few small plants in the "calmer" area of the tank, collected the raft material and deposited over on that side. Within an hour you could see where he had gradually picked the pieces up and moved them to the other side. I gave up and moved the filter back and he's happily trying to build a raft again. Though now that there is a few sturdy plants tied to the suction cup he may have better luck with it staying. This particular Gourami is the only one doing it. The other one is still a bland silver, with a slightly visible black line going across the side...and may be a female.

The Gouramis all try to pick at the plants putting them through hell. The loaches are now back to coming out and being annoying brats again by attempting to fence with any fish that happens to be around...but it is good to see them no longer being so reclusive. One of the senegals has me worried a bit. There is slight redness around his back fin ... I will be keeping an eye on him for a bit (It may just be a trick of the light since they are in a lot brighter light now.
 

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Wow! It sounds like at least ONE of your gourami is settling in very nicely. That must be very entertaining to watch, lol! Please try to snag some video of it - even if it takes forever! I'd love to see. It'd be cool if you ended up with a pair. . .

Hooray for the little loaches feeling more at ease again - very, very good stuff. . .I hope you manage to up their shoal eventually, but good to know they're doing well with only themselves.

I hope your Sengal is okay :/

It sounds like things are going very well over there. . . I can't IMAGINE doing a water change that immense. You know. . . your water-change is my entire tank?!
 

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Gouramis build rafts?! Is is a breeding thing? Or is he trying to make a home for himself?
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