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Varkolak 06-18-2012 09:41 PM

Brackish Idea
I've always wanted to have a freshwater puffer and I'd like to know if this would work for a future tank - Micro sword carpet, Breeding population of amano shrimp, MTS, and a single either Spotted puffer or south american puffer my lfs carries both as well as dwarf puffers, I'm Figuring around 40 gallon hex

Amano need salt to breed - will they breed in brackish?
MTS are supposed to be salt resistant will they thrive?
Micro sword at is being sold as a brackish plant - is it?
Which puffer is a better fit? I have no experience in either brackish tanks or puffers in general

Byron 06-19-2012 05:33 PM

Thne common micro sword is Lilaeopsis brasiliensis, and I've no idea if it will survive in brackish water; in its habitat it is certainly not found in brackish. However, another species in the genus, Lilaeopsis carolinensis, does occur naturally in brackish water as it is found in eastern coastal areas of North America and in coastal areas of southern South America.

Micro sword, L. brasiliensis, is not an easy plant for most of us, and it is very slow growing when it grows at all. Might be too delicate for brackish. It would also need good light, which would not suit the puffers.


Varkolak 06-19-2012 06:06 PM

Ya and it looks like amano shrimp are almost impossible to breed so brackish wouldn't help, it was a good idea in theory but sadly wont work on so many levels

Olympia 06-19-2012 07:09 PM

Amano Shrimp .:. Caridina multidentata .:. Freshwater Aquarium Shrimp Species Information Page
Here's some good info, and yes they hatch as larvae (like crabs that breed in seawater) and therefore can be difficult to raise. I wouldn't try it unless you are really serious about them.

Hope you haven't given up on the puffer dream though!
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Varkolak 06-19-2012 08:09 PM

I haven't but it was a long term goal anyways, one day I'll come across the perfect idea for it and I'll have a nice 3-4 inch puffer chillin and looking awesome in my bedroom

Byron 06-19-2012 08:49 PM

The South American Dwarf Puffer is not brackish but fresh, and in a well planted tank is rather a neat little fish. In a 10g I believe one can have 3, if very well planted. I had one for several months, it arrived unexpectedly with a group of pygmy corys, and I didn't know what to do with it so i left it in with them in a 10g and he did quite well. I had to move him him into another tank and he died quickly, most likely got stressed out by the other fish.

Olympia 06-19-2012 09:21 PM

Dwarf puffers come from India, Byron. Finally got you on something! :-D
Unless there is another species.
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Varkolak 06-19-2012 10:46 PM

I was under the impression South American puffers got 4-6inchs, my pet store has them in a brackish tank but if they are indeed a purely freshwater then that's what I'll go for, then i can use cherry/ghostys and any plants i want with one or two

Olympia 06-19-2012 11:09 PM

It depends what species, if they are in brackish it may be hard to transition them back. Few fish can be dropped from salt to fresh and vice versa (there is one I read about the other day that you can, irrelevant) so you'd have to go through the slow process of converting them gradually.
I'm confused now. Byron said 3 in a 10 gallon, this automatically makes me think of a 1.5 inch Indian dwarf puffer.
Looking it up, yes the small south American puffer does grow to 4+ inches, I would not keep three 4 inch puffers in a 10 gallon.
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Varkolak 06-19-2012 11:13 PM

lol ya me either, I think everyone is getting puffer confused maybe he meant 3 in the 40 i was planning or he just got his inch puffer confused with his 4 inch puffer :-P either way it wouldn't be hard to look into the puffers more and if they are indeed fresh then have my lfs put the next shipment in a fresh tank and save me the hassle

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