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post #21 of 27 Old 03-16-2017, 02:13 PM
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Prime is just the most economical if I'm not mistaken, and arguably the best product on the market for the job. Use up what you have since you bought it Roxanne, but maybe look to make a switch next time.


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I'm glad your msds points out the 'high concentrations will contribute to elevated chemical oxygen demand in aquatic environments.' so it does lock up oxygen.


It's not MY msds....

That it uses oxygen was never in dispute.....What constitutes "high" is what IS in dispute. 2 of the msds I posted actually attribute a value to that, so what say you about them? Or do you prefer to hide behind conjecture?

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post #22 of 27 Old 03-16-2017, 03:48 PM
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I got some jungle conditioner with Aloe when I purchased my aquaqrium should I consider using Prime instead I looked at Petsmart and it was not that expensive.

I have used other conditioners over the years, some times they come with new tanks and some times people give them to me but Prime is the most economical. If you read the bottle it tells you a cap full with treat X amount of gallons so if you do the math a bottle will treat XXX gallons. Compare that to the others bottle and normally they will treat less than half what Prime will do. I don't remember how much a cap full treats but I think it is 50g. So one bottle will last a long time.

Prime is made by the company Seachem and they make a lot of nice products. I used Prime for years but I switched to Safe which is the powered concentrate version of Prime, because I have lots of tanks and do lots of water changes.

It is a great product and great to have on hand always.


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Bob I checked the MSDS sheets



Says it's toxic to mosquito fish at 24,000 mg/l. Doesn't say anything about being a danger to fish when released into the environment.
24000 mg/l = 240000 ppm. 24000 ppm = 2.4%. If my math is correct, that would be 2.4 gallons of treatment in 100 gallons of water. So half a gallon of treatment in a 20 gallon tank would kill that poor mosquito fish. Most people buy an 8 oz or 16 oz bottle, I would think, so that mosquito fish is pretty safe in the average aquarium, even if my math is off. It might be in trouble in a really small tank, though.

Back to the matter at hand, it never occurred to me that the treatment was for the complete tank volume. I always assumed treatment is for new water only. It looks like it wouldn't hurt either way except under rare circumstances. Since I'm a cheapo, I treat the least amount but I'm not worried about a little more.
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post #24 of 27 Old 03-20-2017, 04:33 PM
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In a balanced system where the existing ammonia and chlorine is already zero, you just add Prime for the new water.


To be safe it is best to treat for the free ammonia as measured by the seachem multitest kit or ammonia dot. Not the ammonia as measured by other test kits like the api ammonia kit.


Or just use plants and just replace water that evaporates.


But that's just me and my .02

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With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

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post #25 of 27 Old 03-20-2017, 07:35 PM
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Bob you make a really good point there - an important distinction. If you are cycling your tank it's really best to dose the entire volume because of the probable higher levels of ammonia/nitrite than with a tank that's already cycled. Unless you are changing all the water in the tank, there is always residual ammonia after a water change in a cycling tank

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post #26 of 27 Old 04-14-2017, 01:20 PM
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My method, and what I have found through research has led me to the following:If you are pretreating the water before it goes into the tank, you treat for that amount of water.If you are adding the water to the tank, then treating, you add it for the total volume of the water.I use RO water and add some hot tap water to get it up to temp before I add it to the tank, so I use very little prime.
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Out of curiosity, what reason was given for the need to treat the whole tank when adding water to the tank first?

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