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post #1 of 7 Old 02-13-2018, 09:37 PM Thread Starter
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sump help

hi everyone, and thanks in advance for any help or comments.
so i just bought a marineland 90 gallon tank and stand it is drilled and ready for a sump. i have no experience with setting up or using a sump. i have been searching the internet trying to educate my self, but most of everything is see is more for saltwater tanks. i have a new 20 gallon long tank i was thinking of using to build a sump, but i am not sure how i should build it. the tank is going to be planted, and have mostly rainbow fish and a few other peaceful fish just not sure what yet. any help and advice would be much appreciated. thanks gary
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post #2 of 7 Old 02-14-2018, 12:02 AM
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What you see for marine tanks works well for FW aquariums too, just need some media for biological matter.

Your vest bet would ve tp use the 20g long, or an old second hand tank - it doesn't have to be pretty... just watertight. People have even used totes.

Anyway, sidetracked. The best thing you could do is use a filter sock, this will help polish the water and also reduce sediment buildup in your media - you can go longer durations without cleaning.

Heres a pretty good design from the web of what i would do

So have the sock and heater togethor (since its at the start, the water level will always be high enough just in case the water drops and the heater will still remain submerged.
Then have an isolation section (good if you have aggressive fish, or a fish that may just need some extra TLC or new inhabitants that need to grow out, breeder area ect... or for extra plants! (Good nitrate export)
Then have some stages for biological filtration - did you want to do wet/dry or just sponges?
K1 is a good media selection, so that may be something you want to look into and then return...

But theres lots of ways to do sumps, so look into what you want to include and then we can go from there.

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post #3 of 7 Old 02-15-2018, 11:18 AM
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With a planted tank I would not do a sump. but that's just me.


3 things on setting up a sump


1) insure no floods with power out.


2) insure normal operation returns with power return.


3) Insure no flood with drain/overflow failure. (Sump should run dry before the higher tank floods)


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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #4 of 7 Old 02-15-2018, 09:13 PM Thread Starter
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thanks guys for the information, and precautions on setting up a sump. aussiejjdude i like the first sump idea you posted. i haven't seen one with the k2 tumbling section and drip media together in the same sump. do you know how noisy a sump is with the k2 moving? as this tank will be in our living room so i would like to keep it as quiet as possible. the tank did come with a marineland tidepool wet dry sump with a giant bio-wheel. i wasn't sure if this would work good, and not sure if it may have been leaking, because the floor in the stand was water damaged and had to replace the floor. i have been researching sumps online, but it sure is different than a canister filter. i do like the idea of keeping the equipment in the sump.
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post #5 of 7 Old 02-16-2018, 03:22 PM
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Sorry about the water damage. that hurt.


For a quiet tank consider the type of system in the link in my signature


my .02

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #6 of 7 Old 02-16-2018, 09:17 PM Thread Starter
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wow beaslbob, that is very interesting setup. does that work for any fish? how many fish can you in a tank using this setup?
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post #7 of 7 Old 02-17-2018, 10:47 AM
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wow beaslbob, that is very interesting setup. does that work for any fish? how many fish can you in a tank using this setup?
Some fish do eat plants but not most. With a sump you could put the plants in the sump. More plants more fish. In a 10g I had 30 or so guppies with 1/2 dozen reproducing adults for 9 years. Most of the details of that method are to prevent hardness buildup and to have a clear tank right from the start. Even without that the tank clears up in couple of days. Peat prevents hardness buildup. Not feeding the first fish prevents it dieing at 5 days. It's just a balanced planted method used before all the mechanicals used today.
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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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