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post #31 of 49 Old 03-13-2018, 11:31 AM
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Beaslbob-
Your co2 to pH theory assumes that carbonic acid is the onl acid in out tanks.

You post a lovely article by a reputed source but on an unrelated topic then try to convince us that it really is on topic.

Heres an article for you.
https://www.practicalfishkeeping.co....ng-the-balance

I agree with most of the other advice, but beaslbob, not yours.

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post #32 of 49 Old 03-13-2018, 11:47 AM
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Beaslbob-
Your co2 to pH theory assumes that carbonic acid is the onl acid in out tanks.

You post a lovely article by a reputed source but on an unrelated topic then try to convince us that it really is on topic.

Heres an article for you.
https://www.practicalfishkeeping.co....ng-the-balance

I agree with most of the other advice, but beaslbob, not yours.
Thanks for posting.


article agree with what I have been saying. Initial co2 poisoning results in slow moving fish with later more extreme cases resulting in the gasping at the surface.


Plus low light planted tanks with do well with no co2 addition and present less risk to the fish.


still that's just my .o2

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

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post #33 of 49 Old 03-13-2018, 02:04 PM
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6.5 is not low pH. I'm going to take all those .02 and cash them in. Should be almost a dollar. :)
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post #34 of 49 Old 03-13-2018, 02:53 PM
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I drop pennies in the parking lot on my back to my car.

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I pick them up!

It's a habit with me. I used to pick up change on the way to the store, and I'd have enough by the time I got there to buy a Superman comic and a candy bar!
But, back to 6.5 pH. I don't really have a need for it, because I'm about 7.2 to 7.4 without trying, and my fish are happy. But it is the preferred range for a lot of fish. INCLUDING Neons. "Tetras thrive in mildly acidic water, with a pH of about 5.5 to 6.8."
The point was made that it is important to determine the cause, if possible, before taking corrective action. I can't tell how many times I was *sure* of the cause, and made a change with negative results. It has been enough times that I make every effort to not spin my wheels.
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It's a habit with me. I used to pick up change on the way to the store, and I'd have enough by the time I got there to buy a Superman comic and a candy bar!
But, back to 6.5 pH. I don't really have a need for it, because I'm about 7.2 to 7.4 without trying, and my fish are happy. But it is the preferred range for a lot of fish. INCLUDING Neons. "Tetras thrive in mildly acidic water, with a pH of about 5.5 to 6.8."
The point was made that it is important to determine the cause, if possible, before taking corrective action. I can't tell how many times I was *sure* of the cause, and made a change with negative results. It has been enough times that I make every effort to not spin my wheels.
And my neons thrive at a ph of over 8.4-8.8.


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there you now have $1.02

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #37 of 49 Old 03-13-2018, 05:36 PM
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I don't buy it.

3+points pH higher than everyone else in the world can maintain this fish? You need to find a more gullible audience.
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And my neons thrive at a ph of over 8.4-8.8.


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there you now have $1.02
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And my neons thrive at a ph of over 8.4-8.8.


my .02


there you now have $1.02


Yeah, so you say. Your refusal over the years to ever share any pictures or videos casts a dark cloud of doubt over everything you claim. Unfortunately at this point, were you to post a picture, no one would believe it was yours.

But at least we know why bob thinks 6.5 is low pH.

125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
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3+points pH higher than everyone else in the world can maintain this fish? You need to find a more gullible audience.
If acclimatised, I can't see the problem? People have/do keep discus in high pH and they do fine, why wouldn't the humble tetra do otherwise? As long as the fish aren't wild caught, I do believe that they can be acclimatised to different conditions correctly.

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If acclimatised, I can't see the problem? People have/do keep discus in high pH and they do fine, why wouldn't the humble tetra do otherwise? As long as the fish aren't wild caught, I do believe that they can be acclimatised to different conditions correctly.

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As I have stated before I simply cannot understand and have seen no data on why any fish (even neon tetras) would suffer any harm at all in a high ph (8.4-8.8) caused by a low co2 environment and a high o2 for that matter as well. In fact, I maintain it is a very healthful environment and can actually help the fish overcome illnesses. After all the tank is basically the fish equivalent to a human oxygen tent.


my .02

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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