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post #21 of 24 Old 01-14-2018, 03:27 PM
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Ok! That, is absurd! [(funny) Dude seems to think I'm dropping cheeseburgers and whole combo pizzas at feeding time.(end funny)] OK! Everything in the aquarium is covered with bacteria and biological life, we make sure of that.. A nitrogen cycle is a must, otherwise fragile organisms die.

But, not the annoying snail..?

My experience with the pest, I learned a thing or two. They tolerate high levels of Ammonia, and they don't give two-hoots about Nitrite... Fish are long dead but the snail crawls on.. "pest"
I dosed with H2O2 until all soft plants were dead, and I'll admit H2O2 effectively killed 40%
-And- I'm not sure if the treatment effected their ability to reproduce, but I wasn't waiting to find out.

(funny) You go to the river and recognize a distinct smell, and you're thinking fish.. You'd be wrong! And, what you smell is snails...(not funny) So, from one perspective "snails" as they support life in a moderate abundance are ok; But only, from that one perspective..

My aquarium is for fish.. I repeat "fish".. "Fish" that are not to be out-competed by an invasive species.. [people should be so offered opportunity of choice](Assassin snails are big enough to eat babies, and they will eat babies)

I'll recommend an experience here! Take a shovel-full of dirt and throw it in the aquarium.. Add water, circulation and heater.. Wait, and observe.. Report your findings here... people would appreciate your informational experience.

The funniest thing was the "oh, look a snail! Then followed by "Oh, look another one..

Anyone know were this is going..

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Ok! That, is absurd! [(funny) Dude seems to think I'm dropping cheeseburgers and whole combo pizzas at feeding time.(end funny)] OK! Everything in the aquarium is covered with bacteria and biological life, we make sure of that.. A nitrogen cycle is a must, otherwise fragile organisms die.
I never said that, so please don't get all aggressive when i just mentioned that overfeeding - aka it can be any food FYI - can cause an increase in snail population... Pretty much every single person that complains about snails, and is told to cut back on feeding - and does so - has reported in a significant droo in populations. You can read it not only in thos forum, but countless others. I would suggest you stop feeding those fatty foods as well, its not good for the fish. ;)

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But, not the annoying snail..?

My experience with the pest, I learned a thing or two. They tolerate high levels of Ammonia, and they don't give two-hoots about Nitrite... Fish are long dead but the snail crawls on.. "pest"
I dosed with H2O2 until all soft plants were dead, and I'll admit H2O2 effectively killed 40%
-And- I'm not sure if the treatment effected their ability to reproduce, but I wasn't waiting to find out.
They arent bullet proof, IMO snails are equally as hardy as fish. I've seen countless setups over thr years, especially newer individuals, that have had high levels of ammonia... maybe they were keeping snails not fish, since they seemed ti survive.
Snails can be combated multiple ways:
- medication (chemically)... Most often this is due to a copper complex, which copper is fatal to inverts. The only problems is that killing all your surviving population results in an ammonia spike, so its important to ensure that you're prepared
- predators (assassins snails and loaches) these work by eating the adults, which result in a decrease due to a smaller 'breeding population'... they stop the ammonia spike that waa previously mentioned, and also its a good food source for these organisms.
- tank tear down (restart) you take it all apart and scrub it down... with bleach. Everything that cannot be bleached - like live plants - are placed in a bleach solution... In fact, every new plant should go through a bleach dip to kill off any unwanted organisms anyway.

H2O2 is a simple disinfectant, and its relatively harmless since its not a stable compound and will form water and oxygen gas... So, I can understand why it didn't work, H2O2 is only good at killing single celled organisms (algae).... Maybe try bleach? However, H2O2 will not kill plants - if dosed correctly - and this is using this product multiple times to reduce a small algae outbreak - which IMO is worse than snails!

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(funny) You go to the river and recognize a distinct smell, and you're thinking fish.. You'd be wrong! And, what you smell is snails...(not funny) So, from one perspective "snails" as they support life in a moderate abundance are ok; But only, from that one perspective..
No, not really. What i smell is water, and high levels of organics - caused by rotting leaves, twigs and logs. Regardless, can you support that claim that you can smell snails... since it sounds rather fictitious.
The one perspective is from numerous hobbyists around the world, just like there are multiple hobbyists that dont lile them in there aqua. Everyone that regards the snails as a CUC - clean up crew, commonly used in marine aqua - say that a snails population is due to one simple thing.... food. Reduce the food offered to them, some will starve and die... reduction in snail population. Simple biology - ecology - and the internet has a plethora of articles to look at that supports how a population can only grow as proportional to their food resource, otherwise the population will crash - look at famines.

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My aquarium is for fish.. I repeat "fish".. "Fish" that are not to be out-competed by an invasive species.. [people should be so offered opportunity of choice](Assassin snails are big enough to eat babies, and they will eat babies)
The definition of aquarium actually refers to keeping an aquatic environment in captivity... Its just its commonly used for fish. However, what you do with your aquarium... you do, what I do with mine... is mine. And what the OP does with theirs, is theirs. They may want to keep snails, plants, limpets, shrimp, micro organisms, aquatic 'bugs' ect in THEIR tank. Fish will not be outcompeted with snails, that is absurd. Snails aren't 'deadly' enough - too slow, wont attack live healthy fish, doesn't swim through the water column, short life cycle - to compete with fish. But fish are deadly enough to compete with snails... The OP has got choice, never said they didn't. I offered my opinion which they requested, and said it with having actual experience on the matter... Just like you, my experiences are my opinions. :)

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I'll recommend an experience here! Take a shovel-full of dirt and throw it in the aquarium.. Add water, circulation and heater.. Wait, and observe.. Report your findings here... people would appreciate your informational experience.
I dont know what this will prove, but this has nothing to do at hand. But I will say, this has been done already... maybe use the forum search function or google next time? @beaslbob can help you here, as they are a strong advocate for the 'walstad method' - that is what that (^^^) is called. :) I have no need to do so, others have already done it with great success.

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The funniest thing was the "oh, look a snail! Then followed by "Oh, look another one..
Yes, its a sign of a balanced tank. :)




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when you set up a new tank,hide an extra
sponge or two behind some decor,that way you have
something seeded for you next filter.
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post #24 of 24 Old 01-14-2018, 11:17 PM
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No butt chewin for the babies eaten by giant snails line! Oh, by the way, poster.. I'm not sure if you need a cycled aquarium to save the snails.. I know the snails that I had survived in many different containers. Method: suck-and-squirt with turkey baster to bucket.

And Aussie, I wasn't looking for trouble, I've just got some fun chat.. sorry.. ..

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