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post #21 of 30 Old 06-08-2018, 02:55 PM
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About peat, I have soft tap water as I've already mentioned, I don't have experience with harder water, but I still use leaves and have dirted tanks because I keep softwater fish. A good leaf to look for are Indian Almond Leaves. They are said to have antibacterial properties and shrimp love to graze on microorganisms that live on the leaves.
https://tanninaquatics.com/blogs/the...fit-our-fishes

The leaves last a few weeks and the leaf skeleton can be removed easily once it decays. Both IALs and peat release tannins into the water giving it a natural beautiful amber color. It might also reduce pH if your kh is low. So if you're not into tannins in the water (you prefer bright clear water), peat and IALs are not for you. I would wait until your tank cycles and kh stabilizes before adding anything (even natural) to alter the pH. But I couldn't stop myself from letting you know about them, I love using them myself. If your kh is 120 from the tap, at one point your pH will stabilize close to the middle/high 7s. I don't think you'll need to use crushed coral or calcium sand once kh stabilizes and cycle completes. That's when IALs and other botonicals can be introduced when housing softwater creatures.
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UPDATE - I have nitrates and my Ph is back up to around 7.4!! Seriously, you guys are awesome. Thank you for all the info and tips, I think I'm finally cycling.

I've stopped using Prime for the time being, going with the API conditioner and Tetra safe start when doing WCs. I'll still test the water once or twice a day to keep an eye on that ammonia but I hope this is the turning point.
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Hi there
I was idly looking at some sites this morning and found this:
https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfis...festart.58116/

From what I read there it seems like it's not a good idea to use Safe Start as well as the API Tap Water Conditioner.

Hope that might help you a bit.

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Hi there
I was idly looking at some sites this morning and found this:
https://www.fishlore.com/aquariumfis...festart.58116/

From what I read there it seems like it's not a good idea to use Safe Start as well as the API Tap Water Conditioner.

Hope that might help you a bit.

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Thank you for that, great info! This is good information to have.

The part I found that I think pertains the most to my situation is:

"In regards to ammonia products, yes, they kill TSS. Any type, whether a chloramines remover or detoxifier, etc, anything that says it locks up ammonia or removes ammonia. Do not add TSS for 24 hours after using such a product, and do not add such a product for at least 7 days after
using TSS. The bacteria is housed in a special stabilized solution of
ammonia, so if you remove/lock up the ammonia, you remove all of the food the bacteria require to live.

If you already have fish, and are having an ammonia issue, it is best to
get the ammonia levels down to below 4.0. 4.0 and higher is just as
toxic to TSS as it is to fish. While 2.0 -3.5 ppm ammonia may harm some
of the TSS bacteria, it should still have some effect. You may want to
do a second dose several days after adding the first one, if you are not
seeing the results you want. Keep in mind, these are bacteria, not a
chemical, so results are slow to see. Give the product at least 5-7
days."

The API conditioner does not lock up ammonia but the Prime certainly does. I only added two small doses of that over the course of 4-5 days so I feel ok there and I don't think I'm going to use that any more unless something drastic happens. Also - my ammonia has NEVER reached 4.0, the highest it's been so far is 1 which doesn't sound like it will affect the TSS bacteria. Since I really feel I have a cycle now I'll hopefully only have to mess with the water once a week or so.
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I sent you some information via PM, I hope it helps!!!!!!

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Smile This is also pretty good...



Not sure if anyone has posted this before, but it's pretty handy.

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post #27 of 30 Old 06-12-2018, 02:43 PM
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Nice! I'm so happy you are seeing positive results. Just to let you know, it's ok to use Prime water conditioner to new water. Bear in mind, with chloramines in the tap water, API conditioner will only set the bonded ammonia free. In a cycled tank, the nitrogen cycle will process the ammonia from tap water quickly, but I still personally like to make sure it's detoxed while the cycle deals with it. Totally your choice, I'm just letting you know.

I think it was cautioned not to use the double/triple doses or to be cautious about the free ammonia vs the already bonded. I could be wrong. I didn't know about the free ammonia tests, so that was very helpful info.

Anyway, I think you are on your way to cycle, now just wait for the nitrite to disappear and you're considered cycled!

You could add the 1 tsp of kosher salt per 10 gallons to protect against nitrite poisoning. FYI, Nitrite is also very toxic to fish...
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Also, I've noticed there are a few additions that should be added 1 hour after dosing with Prime, like certain medications, so it's best to wait before adding bacteria or other things.
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I am a bit confused as to how Prime and other ammo lock products affect beneficial bacteria. Is TSS something else besides bacteria?
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post #30 of 30 Old 06-18-2018, 07:51 AM Thread Starter
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So sorry for the absence, I was unable to get to my threads! Knightmayre - that graph is nice, thanks for sharing!

angelcraze - I went back to adding a couple doses of Prime over the last week, I'm trying to not do WCs every day and let that cycle really set it. The nitrites have not gone above .25 so not too worried about them but I may add some salt as a precaution, thank you for the measurement on that! I'll have to read the label again but TSS also helps with ammonia and nitrites and Prime can affect that bacteria from what I've read so I'm not using that while using prime - I have a basic water conditioner to remove chlorine. I haven't checked the levels in about 3 days, mainly because of the Prime but I will today and fingers crossed!
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