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post #11 of 18 Old 07-04-2018, 12:38 AM Thread Starter
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I acclimatised the BN like this:

I opened the lid and placed the sealed bag into the tank, left it for 10mn while the temperature adjusts then I open the bag and let in a few cups of tank water to mingle with the existing water in the bag, I then sealed it again and left it for a further 10 - 15 mn. I then open the bag and gently turn it sideways and the little fry swam straight to the tank wall, latched on and sat there for a few mins. This is when the Barbs started nipping at him so I added food into the tank - they were instantly distracted. While the fish ate the little fry wiggled to the corner of the tank away from the feeding frenzy. He seemed fine - I observed him in the tank for at least 20 - 30 mn. (It seems a long time but I really like watching my fish especially when introducing new Tank mates) as I said in my last post the tiger barbs were hovering around him within 5 inches ( I assumed they were curious to there new friend) I left the room to start dinner and 20mn into that I thought I'd check to see what was happening to find him on the substrate.

I have a few plants in my tank. The tank is 160 litres (55 galons american) which I preform a water change of 30 litres twice a week. I use Prime brand water treatment, I use florish (Prime) for the plants. I don't have any testing equipment to test nitrates or nitrites or ammonia or ph.

I personally don't think it's the water quality but you did mention that it could have been a sick fish or poor stock, no other fish have died in the tank since I've been gathering them. I introduce all new fish as I described above and all of them have been fine. The tiger barbs were one of the last fish added.

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post #12 of 18 Old 07-04-2018, 01:16 AM Thread Starter
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post #13 of 18 Old 07-04-2018, 01:21 AM
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Nice Tank! all the fish look extremly healthy so i dont think agression is the problem My guess is that a PH or some other parameter change shock the BN and that killed it
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post #14 of 18 Old 07-04-2018, 01:29 AM Thread Starter
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I do intend to add more fish, tropical fish are very colourful and way more active than cold water fish - I had a variety of minnows and also hillstream loaches for the last year and though they are cute I still prefer tropical fish as they come in many sizes and are way more active as the bristle nose was very tiny (at least half the size of a tiger barb) I think next time I will be careful about introducing smaller fish...

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post #15 of 18 Old 07-04-2018, 01:32 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you everyone for all your helpfull input, every piece of information will be processed and taken into consideration
The very reason I joined a fish keeping forum. Cheers from New Zealand.....

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I acclimatised the BN like this:

I opened the lid and placed the sealed bag into the tank, left it for 10mn while the temperature adjusts then I open the bag and let in a few cups of tank water to mingle with the existing water in the bag, I then sealed it again and left it for a further 10 - 15 mn. I then open the bag and gently turn it sideways and the little fry swam straight to the tank wall, latched on and sat there for a few mins. This is when the Barbs started nipping at him so I added food into the tank - they were instantly distracted. While the fish ate the little fry wiggled to the corner of the tank away from the feeding frenzy. He seemed fine - I observed him in the tank for at least 20 - 30 mn. (It seems a long time but I really like watching my fish especially when introducing new Tank mates) as I said in my last post the tiger barbs were hovering around him within 5 inches ( I assumed they were curious to there new friend) I left the room to start dinner and 20mn into that I thought I'd check to see what was happening to find him on the substrate.

I have a few plants in my tank. The tank is 160 litres (55 galons american) which I preform a water change of 30 litres twice a week. I use Prime brand water treatment, I use florish (Prime) for the plants. I don't have any testing equipment to test nitrates or nitrites or ammonia or ph.

I personally don't think it's the water quality but you did mention that it could have been a sick fish or poor stock, no other fish have died in the tank since I've been gathering them. I introduce all new fish as I described above and all of them have been fine. The tiger barbs were one of the last fish added.

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Post #9 illustrated why I tend to view acclimation like you did as potentually dangerous/ill advised. To save you the trouble, I'll quote it here:

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I also disagree with you on that method, since opening the bag will just result in increasing O2 that was previously depleted and rapidly increasing pH - thus ammonium quickly being converted into toxic ammonia. Likewise, it takes in excess of a week for the fish to properly acclimatise to water parameters (such as pH) other than temperature, so adding water is essentially doing moot biologically speaking. A quick acclimation to temperature and then netting - I tend to prefer using my hands as to help prevent torn fins, and wear on the slime coat like a net would... - the fish out and adding to the tank is certainly suffice and highly reccomended by many... including myself. Likewise, it also helps to avoid cross contamination of water - reduce any pathogens entering your aquarium, so fish store water is not introduced to your home aquarium...
Its certainly a matter of preference, but would *strongly* advise you to NOT introduce store water in to your tank, since it often contains pathogens and can crash a system - aka kill off your livestock. If theres anything I want you to be a 'take home message' is to treat store water like HIV, malaria or ebola.... you don't want it in your (tank) system!
If you want to still acclimatise to water parameter - though doing so if practically pointless... - and you have to open to bag, I would highly consider dosing with a product like prime that will convert ammonia into lesser toxic compounds - like ammonium. That way, you aren't placing your newly acquired, stressed out fish into a potentually life damaging/highly stressful situation.

Would also reccomend getting a good quality test kit, particularly for nitrates - this is the only parameter that should ve displaying in a healthy tank - but would also reccomend ammonia and nitrite test kits to ensure the tank is cycled - like you didnt kill of bacteria in your filter, or decaying food lead to an ammonia spike for example. It's rather inexpensive, and ensures that your tank is at a healthy level for your fish. You can't really rule out water quality until you test the tanks parameters - so it may as well be... Juvenile fish/fry are (extremely) susceptible to poor water, and slight deterioration can be disastrous.

Likewise, even though the tank looks lovely, it could certainly appreciate further cover like wood, rocks and plants to ensure plenty of hiding places if needed - like barbs fighting, or chasing....

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post #17 of 18 Old 07-04-2018, 11:35 PM Thread Starter
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Well thanks for your opinions It almost feels more that your judging and attacking rather than being helpfull - If you can't see from the pictures there are plants, in fact I just cut them back because they grow quickly and were almost out of the water. If you didn't read my earlier post I already use prime. And as far as treating fish shop tank water like it's HIV seems a little drastic to me as most of the fish I have are from the same store. Your entitled to your opinions but if this is how you show support in an fish keeping forum then I think I won't be asking for any more advice.

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You ask for advise... I give it, Im sorry that you confuse helpful advise with judgement. Wasn't my intention. :) But if you ask fir advise on a public forum you're going to get it, regardless of if it doesnt confine to your point of view. ;)

I can see the pics. And after having fish for more than 10 years, that tank doesn't offer a bristlenose a lot of options for hiding places. If this isnt taken the wrong way, have a browse on the forum and look at other peoples tanks to see what Im getting at. More cover/decor you have, the more opportunities your fish have to hide if needed. Which with aggressive fish, its always wise to have IMO. :)

You didn't mention using prime in the bag... tank yeah, but bag no. So thats not my fault that I mentioned of dosing prime into bag water if your going to open it to make it safe for the fish.... If you re-read your post, you didn't mention it in the first place, I can only really make judgement based on what you wrote. :)

As for treating fish shop water like HIV, I didnt No mean to take it as literal but I wanted to highlight the danger that may be associated with introducing store water intova community aquarium. I'd suggest if you have time going on YouTube and looking up hobbyists like The King of DIY and Rachel O'leary, who both discus acclimation methods and why I suggest its bad to mix in store water. Even not watching the videos, and listening to them while you cook dinner, relax in bed ect. will be able to explain my reasoning... which I mentioned briefly in post.

I personally dont know what I did to upset you - besides offering helpful advise to give you the best success with your fish and fishkeeping in general... Fishkeeping can be really confusing at first, and a minor setback can decrease the will/motivation to continue. A lot of people give up when lossing a fish, particularly when starting out. I WANT you to succeed!

Regardless, I'll stop replying to your posts and keep my distance and let others help if need be... I wish great success, and hope that if you do get another BN its successful and lasts longer than a couple of hours! :)

Your welcome, thanks for thanking me. :)

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