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post #1 of 22 Old 12-03-2017, 09:46 AM Thread Starter
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New Aquarium Problems *I need help*

Hello Tropicalfishkeeping community!

I am turning to you guys for infos because the people at my local petshop are absolutely clueless about what to do in my aquarium. So let's start at the beginning.

I had my aquarium for many years and everything was ok, until fish started dying for no reason we could identify. So after a feu month of trying new things, I decided to start anew. People at my petshop told me to use bleach for a couple of days, than to neutralize the chlorine with Seachem Prime. This is exactly what I did. So I emptied everything after a couple of days, added new sand, new water, start my cycle, and after a week added 3 cherry barb (one of the employee told me that it was an ok fish to start a new tank).

After a few days, my cherry barbs were lethargic and not eating. One died after only 4 days and the other just died this morning. Meanwhile, that made me add 3 buenos aires tetras. One of the employee told me the cherry barbs were stressed because they were alone in the tank and adding more wish would help. It didnt, not at all. The tetras were doing o.k. for the first few days but after one week, they stopped eating. Since three days they ate nothing and are staying at the bottom of the aquarium doing nothing.

When I went to the petshop they told me everything was ok with my water parameters, and that they have no idea why this is happening. This is why i'm desesperately turning to you guys. I love my fish and I hate to see them dying, i'm always doing my best to have a clean and healthy aquarium.

One thing that I suspect is that maybe I didnt clean the glass and there was still alot of prime when I filled up the tank? Could that be the problem? What else could be happening?

Thank you so much for your time and expertise, I will be reading each of the reply carefuly.
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post #2 of 22 Old 12-03-2017, 02:23 PM
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Sooooo, since you went nuclear on your tank (bleach), youíre starting all over again with the cycling process. What that means is until your beneficial bacteria colonies establish themselves, the fish in the tank will be poisoning themselves with their own waste every minute of every day. The cycle process takes 3-6 weeks to complete naturally. There are ways to speed that up though. So what does this all mean for you? Donít add any new fish! The more fish in the tank, and the more you feed the fish, the faster the water gets polluted and their survival rate plummets.

While the fish store employee is correct saying the cherry barbs are stressed because of the lack of other fish in the tank, that doesnít mean you should add more fish at this point in time. Doing so will ďsolveĒ one problem, unintentionally creating a much bigger problem.

A clean tank is not necessarily a healthy tank. Your tank is a mini eco system and over cleaning can really mess things up. The extent of your cleaning should be scraping the glass, sucking up waste off the bottom, and rinsing your filter media every couple months. Thatís pretty much it.

Itís probably not what you want to hear, but at this point youíre number 1 priority should be getting the tank cycled so that it can support the bioload of your fish. The cycle process can be extremely stressful on fish and they donít always make it through. I would not waste any time trying to figure out why a fish died during the cycle process; I would just assume it was due to water quality problems and move on. Stress is a killer and it manifests itself in different ways, so worrying about the specific things that are killing your fish is like treating the symptoms rather than treating the root problem causing the symptoms.

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post #3 of 22 Old 12-03-2017, 03:34 PM
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Going with above.... prime is something that will not kill a fish if you happen to overdose.

When testing the water at a store - highly recommend your own test kit - ask for actual values of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Good is not a value. ;)

The best thing to do now would be to perform daily waterchanges - to keep ammonia and nitrite down - and make sure to dose with products like prime which remove these compounds from the water... likewise, try not to feed your fish much - every 3/4 days is fine... just a little bit that they eat in under 30 seconds would be suffice - to keep waste products down until the beneficial bacteria has established in your filter.

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post #4 of 22 Old 12-03-2017, 09:47 PM Thread Starter
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@jaysee and @aussieJJDude I cannot thank you guys enough for your reply. I have a test kit being shipped at the moment and I should recieve it wednesday.

For the daily water change, what % would you recommend? My local pet store employee told me 20% every week, but I don't trust him very much after reading your suggestions. Also, if the 3 tetras that I have die, should I buy new fish to complete the cycle? Also, my aquarium is planted (27gal with 6 plants), does that change the way I should deal with the cycle?

Thanks again for your time.

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Thats a tough one. I'd recommend anywhere from 30 - 50% in order to ensure that anything toxic build up remains as low as possible... once your own test kit is in then I'd go from there..

(The fish shop advise of 20% is a good rough guide, but it eill depend on the amount of stock you have in there and the type. Some do 30% others closer to 50.. some do only 10%.)

Plants will help you keep harmful buildup of ammonia and nitrate down, so its good that you have them. They do not affect cycling much - or at least in a negative way.

If the tetras die, consider doing a cycle without fish and using pure ammonia as a food source for the bacteria... this also allows you the option to include high levels of ammonia - which will also be beneficial to plant growth - and once the bacteria has caught up, stock initially at a higher level.

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Once you have the test kit you will know what the concentrations are and that will tell you how much water needs to be changed. If your water has 1 ppm ammonia, for example, and you do a 20% change, youíre leaving 0.8 ppm behind for the fish. Then when the fish live another day, the concentration goes up to 1.8 ppm. You do another 20% water change, which brings it down to 1.44. Then tomorrow itís 2.44. Thatís why you have to do larger, more frequent water changes when cycling.

In my opinion, because of the frequency with which water changes are performed in a fish in cycle, you should be changing out at least 80% of the water. With a water changer, thatís no more difficult of a task than changing 20%. Without a water changer...yeah I recognize thatís a lot of work. But since youíre goal in protecting the fish is to keep the ammonia concentrations as low as possible, stands to reason that massive water changes are in order. If you plan on being in the hobby for more than a few months, you really should buy a water changer.

I agree - if the fish die just start dosing with ammonia and do a fishless cycle. No need to kill yourself doing water changes for a couple tetras, in my opinion.

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Hello Tropicalfishkeeping community!

I am turning to you guys for infos because the people at my local petshop are absolutely clueless about what to do in my aquarium. So let's start at the beginning.

I had my aquarium for many years and everything was ok, until fish started dying for no reason we could identify. So after a feu month of trying new things, I decided to start anew. People at my petshop told me to use bleach for a couple of days, than to neutralize the chlorine with Seachem Prime. This is exactly what I did. So I emptied everything after a couple of days, added new sand, new water, start my cycle, and after a week added 3 cherry barb (one of the employee told me that it was an ok fish to start a new tank).

After a few days, my cherry barbs were lethargic and not eating. One died after only 4 days and the other just died this morning. Meanwhile, that made me add 3 buenos aires tetras. One of the employee told me the cherry barbs were stressed because they were alone in the tank and adding more wish would help. It didnt, not at all. The tetras were doing o.k. for the first few days but after one week, they stopped eating. Since three days they ate nothing and are staying at the bottom of the aquarium doing nothing.

When I went to the petshop they told me everything was ok with my water parameters, and that they have no idea why this is happening. This is why i'm desesperately turning to you guys. I love my fish and I hate to see them dying, i'm always doing my best to have a clean and healthy aquarium.

One thing that I suspect is that maybe I didnt clean the glass and there was still alot of prime when I filled up the tank? Could that be the problem? What else could be happening?

Thank you so much for your time and expertise, I will be reading each of the reply carefuly.
I disagree with about everything they told you to do. First of all, while bleaching is fine your problem was probably not cured by the bleach. Secondly Prime treats ammonia but also reduces oxygen. Your fish very well could have suffocated.


Besides rinsing a few times until a new nose can't smell the bleach was all that was required.


Finally, read the methods in my signature and try those.


Finally, it is dangerous to add a fish a week after starting a new tank with no plant life. With my planted tanks the first fish had the same symptoms wshen fed and died on the fifth day. Second fish after that did survive.
But with heavy planting and not feeding the first fish the first week, that first fish always lived.


my .02

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #8 of 22 Old 12-04-2017, 05:08 PM
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You disagree with everything we said, but then proceed to say things weíve said. Minus promoting your bizarre ďmethodĒ for which youíve never posted pictures for people to see what such a tank looks like, and your crazy, unsubstantiated claims of prime killing fish.

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90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
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I thought he was talking in responce to the store employees.

Different strokes for different folks i guess.

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post #10 of 22 Old 12-04-2017, 05:14 PM
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Oh perhaps that the case. Or itís like one of the other many times he disagrees with standard methods to push his method, fear mongering by telling them prime kills fish. But yeah I might be wrong. This time.

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