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post #11 of 29 Old 02-19-2015, 05:30 AM
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Ya thats why prime doesn't solve the problem it stalls it, to be honest it is intended to treat city water. They added the ammonia properties to help sell product. Yeah its nice to have a bit of buffer to help your filter out but its just a crutch.
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post #12 of 29 Old 02-19-2015, 09:39 AM
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Your ammonia dot is still showing 0 ammonia. Stop all ammonia treatements. stop all water changes to reduce the ammonia.

Add the plants.

And watch the ammonia come down with a possible nitrate increase.

And a ph increase as well.

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #13 of 29 Old 02-20-2015, 10:44 AM Thread Starter
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As of yesterday nitrite still 0ppm seachem alert still shows 0ppm free ammonia, nitrate 5.0ppm ammonia 4 ppm added lots of water sprite, fish are still very healthy, slowed their feeding pattern down, got lots of waste out of tank, and im thinking about gradually increasing the temp in the tank to 84 degrees, what do you guys think?
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post #14 of 29 Old 02-20-2015, 10:47 AM Thread Starter
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The guys at the LFS told me they have never seen ammonia that high with no trace of nitrite and just a smidge of nitrate so i let them sample the water, they got the same results... The stressed i should use Seachem stabilty Not Prime because it appears I have new tank syndrome...... Any thoughts?
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post #15 of 29 Old 02-20-2015, 11:10 AM
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The guys at the LFS told me they have never seen ammonia that high with no trace of nitrite and just a smidge of nitrate so i let them sample the water, they got the same results... The stressed i should use Seachem stabilty Not Prime because it appears I have new tank syndrome...... Any thoughts?

You have a planted tank with the seachem ammonia dot showing no ammonia but the api test kit showing 4ppm ammonia.

My conclusion is that all the ammonia is locked.

I would basically do nothing. Add no chemicals. No water changes. No fish added. and no food being added.

the 4ppm ammonia locked up will be released feeding the plants with no free ammonia spike.

then after the ammonia comes down (bout a week) start very light feedings of the fish.

At that point you should be well on your way to a more normal mature tank operation wise.

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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/

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post #16 of 29 Old 02-20-2015, 11:17 AM Thread Starter
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If you could look at my aquarium, this is the one that is called Central american monsters can i go that long not feeding these fish?
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post #17 of 29 Old 02-20-2015, 11:28 AM
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If you could look at my aquarium, this is the one that is called Central american monsters can i go that long not feeding these fish?
Yes.

fish in the wild sometimes go for weeks with no food.

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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #18 of 29 Old 02-20-2015, 11:43 AM Thread Starter
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I will follow your lead than. Thanks
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post #19 of 29 Old 02-20-2015, 11:55 AM
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Did you pop open the filter and check for bacteria? Also with the above recommendation I would turn off the UV, untill you have things under control.
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post #20 of 29 Old 02-20-2015, 12:24 PM
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I have a 10g gallon tank running empty (no fish) for few months now. To keep it cycled I add 8 drops of pure ammonia (Old Country) every few days or when I remember. By the next day, all ammonia is gone. I don't check NO2 or NO3 but change water weekly.
Today I took a sample from this tank to make sure ammonia is 0. I added 8 drops ammonia like usual and took a sample. I added 20 drops (1 ml) "locker" Prime and took another sample. Checked ammonia in both and guess what? Same 4 ppm reading, no difference.
Locked or unlocked, ammonia is there.
Prime works for cloramines as well (often found in city water) by breaking them into ammonia and chlorine. Chlorine is then split into chloride and ammonia, well, locked into a complex for about 24-48 hours. For the amount of chloramines found in city water, 2 drops of Prime per gallon seems effective. But 4 ppm ammonia is no match for Prime at regular dose.
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