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post #1 of 29 Old 02-17-2015, 07:14 PM Thread Starter
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My ammonia levels are through the roof, my fish appear to be fine and im not sure if my tank needs a water change or not, my lfs says no way, that the ammonia should return to zero???? the ammonia levels are not getting their fast enough i am freakin out, Nitrate 0, Nitrite 0, ammonia is 8.0ppm, when i started this tank i used all the tank bubblies for ph and stability before adding fish and then seachem stabilty for seven days upon adding them, Checking the ammonia levels daily watching the spike well its spiked and not coming down so I resorted to using Kordon plus detox, to keep from the fish alive, thank full all are alive...... What am I doing wrong???? tomorrow im going to get plants to help...I am lost??? Please help
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post #2 of 29 Old 02-17-2015, 08:45 PM
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Can you get some used filter media? Plants are not quick enough.
Keep doing water changes. Use plenty of Prime/AmQuel
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post #3 of 29 Old 02-17-2015, 09:37 PM Thread Starter
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I do not have any used media, on the water changes my lfs said not to do it I take it they where wrong thanks I will do a fifty percent tonite why is ammonia so high and nitrite at zero the seachem ammonia alert thing i am using so the ammonia is less than .002 ppm but like you saw the sample says 8ppm
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post #4 of 29 Old 02-18-2015, 11:20 AM
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I don't know what is ammonia alert thing...
Did lfs gave any explanation as to why a 8ppm ammonia is safe for fish and a water change is not required?
This level is quite toxic to your bacteria as well and you might end up with a "stalled cycle"
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post #5 of 29 Old 02-18-2015, 11:52 AM
This same thing happened to me. Ammonia skyrocketed to 8.00 PPM and stayed that way for a week (the ammonia test started turning a dark blue instead of green), so I did a complete 100 % water change and started from scratch. The very next day I started showing Nitrate readings. I think the beneficial bacteria had started building up but with the ammonia spike that high, it stalled the cycle. I had to completely start over with new water, but it worked for me. I highly suggest water changes, if you don't want to do 100% thats understandable, but you definitely want to try and get the ammonia level below 2.0 at least, preferably below 1 or even .5.
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post #6 of 29 Old 02-18-2015, 02:05 PM
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You used chemicals.

those chemicals may have locked up the ammonia so the 8ppm is safe(r) then free ammonia.

The seachem ammonia dot only measures the free ammonia so if it shows low ammonia your tank is safe.

As does the seachem ammonia multi test test kit which measures free and total ammonia.

The locked ammonia from the chemicals actually tests as ammonia on the standard test kits like the API test kit in your picture. Then danger is people test ammonia, add chemicals, still test ammonia and repeat. The chemicals also lock up oxygen so any fish present can suffocate showing the same symptoms as ammonia poisoning.

I would follow the procedures in the link in my signature. Add fast growing plants like anacharis, stop all chemical treatments, stop all feedings and let the plants condition the tank but a week or two. Then start by adding 1 fish and not feeding for a week. Then add more fish and start feeding a single flake per day.

my .02

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: https://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/

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post #7 of 29 Old 02-18-2015, 05:21 PM Thread Starter
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today I have ammonia 2.0 ppm nitrite 0 ppm and nitrate at 5.0 ppm did a 10% water change last night checked today at 6 pm The seachem alert still shows zero ppm I take it i'm fine for now does it appear my tank is cycling,.,..,. or cycled,.,,..,..or stalled
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post #8 of 29 Old 02-18-2015, 05:48 PM Thread Starter
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As for today I did a 25%+/- water change last night 25 gallons of distilled water Ice storm kept me from getting plants today at 6 pm I checked water conditions they are ammonia 2.0ppm, nitrite 0 ppm nitrate 5 ppm.... My local fish store is operated by a marine biologist he told me the ammonia and nitrite should both spike and then go down it would take time use seachem stability and add fish hardy ones, being stubborn I put my big dogs in their or priced fish, My fish appear fine I added a uv sterilizer i used before in another aquarium is my tank cycling correctly now? is it stalled? or is it complete?

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post #9 of 29 Old 02-18-2015, 05:53 PM
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Seachem (Prime's maker) claims that checking ammonia with Nessler's reagent (API test) gives false results because the pH must be brought to 12-14 range (maybe that's what Bottle nr 1 is for). At that pH level, all ammonia is in the free form: NH3 (toxic). Prime is a reducer, it turns NH3 into NH4+ (ammonium, less toxic). Same thing would have happen to NH3 if the tank water pH is less than 7.
Seachem Prime does not remove NH3, it just make it NH4, less toxic, still available for plants or bacteria (if there are any...) to grab.
My question is: what happen to NH4 after 24 hours when Prime dissipates (according to their own site) if the pH is above 7?
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post #10 of 29 Old 02-18-2015, 06:37 PM Thread Starter
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What do I got now from my results

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Seachem (Prime's maker) claims that checking ammonia with Nessler's reagent (API test) gives false results because the pH must be brought to 12-14 range (maybe that's what Bottle nr 1 is for). At that pH level, all ammonia is in the free form: NH3 (toxic). Prime is a reducer, it turns NH3 into NH4+ (ammonium, less toxic). Same thing would have happen to NH3 if the tank water pH is less than 7.
Seachem Prime does not remove NH3, it just make it NH4, less toxic, still available for plants or bacteria (if there are any...) to grab.
My question is: what happen to NH4 after 24 hours when Prime dissipates (according to their own site) if the pH is above 7?
My PH is 7.4
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