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Old 05-08-2011, 02:40 AM   #11
 
Thank you for your reply.

They don't sell Metronidazole powder in Finland for fish, but I have been able to find the following options: Jungle Anti-Parasite Fish Food, which contains metronidazole and praziquantel and also I found Jungle Internal Parasite Guard, which after a lot of research I found contains the following active ingredients: Metronidazole less than 2.3% and Triethylene Glycol less than 0.13%. I think the latter one is a powder as the bottle says 56g instead of tablets. Would either one of these be good for the purpose?

If I order from abroad it'll take too long and last time I ordered medicational things, the customs took them away. Finnish customs are so strict. Much more strict than I was used to while living in the UK and Australia.

I understand that there's a chance we might still need to euthanize the fish, but I'll try this first and if it doesn't help I'll think about that option.

I have now stopped the salt baths today completely. I'll also do another large water change to further reduce the salt from the tank.

Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it very much!

Hope your anniversary turned out lovely and you had a good time. We'll have our first wedding anniversary in July, but we've been together almost 9 years with my husband. Time flies.

Thank you.
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:34 AM   #12
 
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Can you get quinine sulfate instead? I am familiar with both that you listed but I'm pretty sure neither of those is going to be of much help. Without the right concentration of the metronidazole it isn't going to be effective, especially for something such as this. There aren't many options for treating a problem of this nature, but quinine sulfate would be the other option if you can get it....

Thank you for the anniversary wishes, it was a wonderful day spent together. I will check back in later today.
Good luck to you!!!
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Old 05-08-2011, 11:09 AM   #13
 
Hi,

I just spoke with my mum about the metronidazole. She can get a prescription for it for me from a doctor so I can give it to the fish. How much am I going to need? Are a few tablets crushed going to be enough if they don't have powder? I think we can treat with metronidazole after all. Mum's going to work tomorrow so she'll get it then.

Thank you again.
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:57 AM   #14
 
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I think how much you're going to need depends a lot on what food you're going to treat it with. Working with the tablets is a little different than the powder. It isn't going to grind up to a powder the same consistency, therefore it isn't going to be absorbed or adhere to the food the same way. I would suggest giving yourself some room for error and experimentation on treating the food, so maybe 6 tablets? (figuring a rate of 1/2 tablet per day in case you need to dissolve the tablet into tank water in a cup and soak the food that way)

Once I know for sure what foods you're intending to use that will make coaching you through it much easier. Sorry I can't be more exact at this point.
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Old 05-09-2011, 09:39 AM   #15
 
Thank you for your reply.

I have the metronidazole now. It's tablets. Apparently powder's not available in Finland. I'm planning to feed with flakes. As bloodworm is out of the diet during the treatment, I have also white mosquito larvae. Is that one ok? I don't mind going with just flakes. Whatever is better. I ground one tablet (they're 500mg tablets) and put with enough flakes for today and tomorrow. I gave him a little immediately. He seems a bit more droopy today so I was in a rush to start with some medicine. Some of the tablet attached to the flake, but as I dropped them into the water, it was on the surface of the water. I can try the soaking in water and that way attaching to the flakes.

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Old 05-09-2011, 01:20 PM   #16
 
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Don't soak flakes in water/med mix. The flakes will dissolve rather than absorb the medication. Try the mosquito larvae instead. Put just a tsp of tank water into a cup, add a 1/2 of a tablet, then crush into the tsp of water, swirling as you go until the 1/2 of tablet is dissolved. Then add the mosquito larvae, enough so that it all gets just wet and there is no liquid left in the cup. Let stand 10 minutes, then feed. Do not pour into the tank, any liquid that remains in the cup should not go into the tank... add more food to absorb it instead.

If this doesn't bring you a better result then you may need to look into a pellet type food instead, something you can soak in med water and let dry before feeding. There are tropical "bits" available which are small enough for a sick danio and would work much easier for medicating. If you can find somewhere to purchase live adult brine shrimp, that would also make things easier for getting the meds into him.

Let me know if you need further help.
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Old 05-11-2011, 03:14 AM   #17
 
Hi,

Thank you so much for your reply.

I should have said that the mosquito larvae is frozen food. Not using that after all. I tried to search some dried one though, but they didn't have any. They had dried bloodworm and shrimp, but I didn't buy those. If they're any good, you can say and I'll buy them. I bought some granulated food (small bits) and soaked it in med water and let it dry, but he doesn't like it. I've dropped a bit of that in and also I've given him flakes that are smothered in the ground medicine. That seems to go down the throat the best. I've kept an eye that he's been getting the medicine with it.

I don't think they sell live adult brine shrimp in Finland. (My fish would love it though.) I haven't seen any live food for them. I hope it's good enough what I've tried to do. I've fed him 3 times a day with the med food. If you have any suggestions, please let me know.

I'm so so so greatful for all the information you've helped me with. Without you I don't know what I could've tried. Even if the fish ended up not making it, you've given me a chance to try to help him. Thank you so much for that!!!
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:38 AM   #18
 
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I wish I could help you with finding live food for your fish locally... but I am not familiar with the laws, regulations, or practices in Finland. I will give this some more thought and if I can think of any other options for you I will let you know.
In regards to offering you help to at least try to save your fish, that goes without saying. I will always try and do what I can to help save a life, or, if the only thing possible is to extend it, provided the animal isn't suffering, then I will do what I can for that also. I wish I had more help to offer you, but sometimes doing things via internet leaves us a bit limited. As you have discovered, some of the most needed medications are not legal or can be very difficult to obtain in countries outside of the US. The UK has some very strict medication laws and most situations require a prescription from a vet to obtain a needed medication, and finding a vet qualified to treat aquarium fish can be quite difficult not to mention expensive.

I wish you luck with your fish, I hope the meds help, though I am not real confident he can be saved even with medication. He looks pretty far gone from the photos. Loss of muscle tissue to that extent is going to mean other internal issues will develop if he does survive. Because we don't know for sure what the problem is, and without lab work can't confirm or disprove the presence of TB, I would suggest not integrating him back into the main tank population. If you notice any changes in the other fish, even if it seems slight and unimportant, let me know. The faster a problem is caught and identified the better the success rate of treatment.

Again... good luck!
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:08 AM   #19
 
Hi Dawn,

Thank you for your recent reply. I wanted to ask for your opinion on this. The fish's swimming has changed into more difficult. He moves slower and his spine is more kinked. He also looks quite clearly thinner. We thought with my husband that it might be that he doesn't have much time left. He still eats and swims, but the swimming is more difficult as said. I've put a couple of photos here.

Could you please let me know your opinion if it's worth keeping trying anymore.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:32 AM   #20
 
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I think the kindest thing you could do for this fish is to euthanize it. Struggling to swim in his present condition only = suffering at this point. Either the medication isn't doing the trick, possibly because it wasn't caught early enough, or the medication is ineffective which points a finger to TB, which is fatal, untreatable, and highly contagious. In either instance, this fish is not going to survive, I think its time to just end its suffering and keep close watch over the other fish, especially any other danios remaining in the main tank.

I'm sorry I couldn't do more to help.
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