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Old 03-25-2007, 06:46 PM   #11
 
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I hope you dissolved the salt before you added it to your tank. Sorry to hear about your pictus. If you did dissolve it, it's just a matter of monitoring them. Do water changes every other day by about 10% and add salt to replace the amount displaced by water changes.
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Old 03-25-2007, 06:52 PM   #12
 
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i did disolve it completely because i read here that even one grain lying at the bottom could burn him.

ill do every second day water changes like you suggested

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If you did dissolve it, it's just a matter of monitoring them.
what do you mean by monitoring them? just by checking that everyone seems to be doing alright and not looking stressed or whatever? with my pictus i dont know that theres anything i could have done really - i added the salt and he was fine, swimming about happily, went to work and when i cam back eight hours later he was dead with his wee mouth open :'(

if the fish are going to become ill because of the salt, is it going to be a sudden thing like with ceasar? ill be heartbroken if i lose anymroe over this white spot

thanks for your help
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Old 03-25-2007, 06:58 PM   #13
 
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what do you mean by monitoring them? just by checking that everyone seems to be doing alright and not looking stressed or whatever?
Yes.:)
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with my pictus i dont know that theres anything i could have done really - i added the salt and he was fine, swimming about happily, went to work and when i cam back eight hours later he was dead with his wee mouth open :'(
I don't think it is the salt. A lot of fish can tolerate it as part of the treatment. I have scaleless fish here and when I treated them with salt, they managed to survive.
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if the fish are going to become ill because of the salt, is it going to be a sudden thing like with ceasar? ill be heartbroken if i lose anymroe over this white spot
Let's hope not. How are your other catfish doing so far? Look into them more closely. The rest which are not bottom dwellers shouldn't be much of a problem. I've had them(except blind cave tetras) with salt and none showed signs of intolerance to it.
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Old 03-25-2007, 07:10 PM   #14
 
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I don't think it is the salt. A lot of fish can tolerate it as part of the treatment. I have scaleless fish here and when I treated them with salt, they managed to survive.
i dont really think it was the salt either now, but it was the only thing i could think of because like i said he only had a few spots on him and hardly any compared to the others. maybe because he is scaless they itched him more or something, making him more stressed than the other fish. i really dont know.

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How are your other catfish doing so far? Look into them more closely.
my upside down catfish and plec are doing well except i noticed that my plec has been rushing to the surface once or twice then back down again. is this a problem? i know salt and higher temp can reduce the oxygen so i upped the sped of my filter and have it aggitaing the surface more for increased oxygen. should this be alright?

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I've had them(except blind cave tetras) with salt and none showed signs of intolerance to it.
its funny that you should say that. these are the only 2 fish 100% unaffected. while my rams are riddled with white spots, and all other fish with at least a couple of spots, they remain spot free and are very active and unphased by the addition of salt

thanks for your help blue
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Old 03-26-2007, 02:03 AM   #15
 
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my upside down catfish and plec are doing well except i noticed that my plec has been rushing to the surface once or twice then back down again. is this a problem? i know salt and higher temp can reduce the oxygen so i upped the sped of my filter and have it aggitaing the surface more for increased oxygen. should this be alright?
It should be alright.:)
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they remain spot free and are very active and unphased by the addition of salt
Glad to hear that.:) Lesser problems for you at this rate. It seems clear to me those that are spot-free have very strong immunity though you still need to include them in the course of treatment as a precaution. Just avoid anything that would easily stress them. I would advise reducing the time interval when light is on so they will be getting plenty of rest thus allowing them to fight off ich.

Oh, and I think the word was 'unfazed'. Doesn't matter though.

Good luck and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.:)
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Old 03-26-2007, 03:51 AM   #16
 
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Oh, and I think the word was 'unfazed'. Doesn't matter though.
i never could spell!!

well this morning everyone is still here and still covered in spots, but i dont expect it to clear that soon obviously so im very hopeful. i will keep the light off all day except for when i get up and come in where il put it on for a few minutes just so i can see to check how everyone is doing

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Old 03-26-2007, 04:59 PM   #17
 
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Two things:
1. Pictus cats are prone to ick because they stress so easily. It is common for a pictus cat to develop ick when they've been moved. They are scaleless fish, so I wouldn't have used the salt treatment in that tank (sorry i couldn't get here sooner).
2. There is 1 medication I know of that is safe for all of the fish in your tank, and would have been safe for the pictus cat as well. If you decide that the salt isn't working, it will be important to do a 30% water change at least 24 - 48 hrs before starting the med treatment.
MED TREATMENT:
The medication is called Formalin. You will want to use it at 1/2 dose (1 drop per gallon instead of 2). Very important to increase circulation and aeration in the tank before using this med, as it can deplete oxygen levels, especially at higher temps. Usually an air stone or 2 with an air pump are plenty, and this can be discontinued after medication is completed.
I can help you find it online if you can't find it in your LFS, just PM me and let me know you need more info.
If you have questions, please feel free to email me directly, as I'm not always able to get here as quick as I'd like to (or as often lately).
Good Luck!
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Old 03-26-2007, 05:07 PM   #18
 
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thanks for the info bettababy. wish you could have got here sooner like you said but not your, or anyone elses fault of course, just unfortunate.

actually kateyoup pm'd me and recommened that medication to me so if i decide its not working thats definitely what i will be using.

i obviously cant be sure but i dont think he was stressed as i had had him for a fair wee while, a bit over a month and he was doing well, it was 2 days after i introdced the rams that the hitw spot appeared so i suspect them.

if i decide its not working i will use FORMULIN, however, how long would you recommend that i wait before i can tell if its doing the job or not?

thanks again
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Old 03-27-2007, 06:01 AM   #19
 
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im not convinced what the salt is working - some of the fish seem to be getting worse and fish that werent infected, now are infected. its only been 3 days so perhaps im being impatient? but ive never had white spot before so really dont know how long i should be waiting before i see some improvements. im just really worried because it is spreading and because 2 of my rams are absolutely covered in it, and are much less active then they used to be, except from wee bursts where they go mad trying to scratch themselves. i think theyre suffering :(

i have been recommended formalin and PROTOZIN - protozoacide by 2 members here now (i actually mistakenly said formalin by both earlier, sorry for that mistake). do you recommend i just start with one of these medications after doing the water change and waiting 48 hours like bettababy suggested? i really dont know how long to give the salt before i should see an improvement.

please help because im getting very worried

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Old 03-27-2007, 06:06 AM   #20
 
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Julie, sorry to hear it's got worse. I would start with the formalin as advised.
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